Don't let the door hit you on the way out, Binotto. Or do. | Page 11 | FerrariChat

Don't let the door hit you on the way out, Binotto. Or do.

Discussion in 'F1' started by Bas, Nov 25, 2022.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    Life good at the Bull - nothing at Ferrari would be an improvement for him at all. Not at all surprised Horner and others have said............no.
     
    Boomhauer, william and jgonzalesm6 like this.
  2. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    Seidl well respected overall. I would ascertain a Porsche effort would find him interested if not a part of it in the future.
     
    william likes this.
  3. DeSoto

    DeSoto F1 Veteran

    Nov 26, 2003
    7,501
    Well, most teams that are owned by car manufacturers are under pressure to get instant results. Look at Toyota, BMW, Jaguar, Honda, Renault (several times), etc... Mercedes quit McLaren because they weren´t getting results, and they´d quit if they didn´t get the rules as they wanted, so let´s see how strong is their commitment if they don´t start winning again soon. So far, they´d sold part of their stake of the team.

    To Ferrari it has happened more times because they have survived for longer.
     
    ingegnere and jpalmito like this.
  4. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    As you stated above - Autosport does echo! :)

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/the-added-complication-ferrari-faces-in-its-hunt-for-binottos-f1-successor/10406261/

    The added complication Ferrari faces in its hunt for Binotto’s F1 successor
    As the dust begins to settle from Mattia Binotto’s exit as Ferrari’s Formula 1 chief following confirmation of his resignation, officials in Maranello now face a two-sided problem.
    By: Roberto Chinchero
    Co-author: Luke Smith
    Nov 30, 2022, 12:50 PM
    Image Unavailable, Please Login




    Tuesday’s announcement that Binotto would be leaving his role as team principal at the end of the season came following weeks of speculation he was being ushered towards the exit after 28 years.

    Ferrari said in the statement making Binotto’s departure official that the process to find a new team principal was “underway” and “expected to be finalised in the new year.” Alfa Romeo F1 boss Frederic Vasseur is the favourite for the job, with the links dating back several weeks as the rumours began to swirl in the paddock.

    But replacing the man at the very top of the F1 operation is not the only challenge that Ferrari chairman John Elkann and CEO Benedetto Vigna now face: they also need to find a new technical chief.

    Upon taking the reins at Ferrari in 2019, Binotto adopted an unconventional dual role running the team, as no replacement was promoted into his previous role as technical chief.

    Binotto rose through the ranks at Maranello after starting out as an engineer, becoming the head of Ferrari’s engine department before taking over as chief technical officer in 2016 following the departure of James Allison.

    As a result, Binotto has remained involved with the technical department at Ferrari over the past four seasons, delegating some responsibilities while maintaining supervision and also operating as team principal.

    It means Ferrari now faces the task of filling not one but two of the most senior roles in its F1 team, seemingly without any in-house replacements who are ready to step in. On the team principal side, proof of this comes in the fact Ferrari did not have a successor ready to name upon confirming Binotto’s departure, prompting it to look outside of the team.

    Unless Ferrari can find someone with a similar background to Binotto who would be capable of the dual role as both team principal and technical chief, it is likely its internal structure will need to change, potentially returning to the more conventional approach of having a bespoke technical boss.

    But the added challenge on this front is that many of the top names established in F1 will be subject to long periods of gardening leave. When Aston Martin secured Dan Fallows from Red Bull to join as its new technical chief, it took 10 months before he could start work - and that was only after a deal was struck to shorten his gardening leave.

    It would be a big ask for Ferrari to get someone from outside of the team in time for the 2023 season, meaning an internal promotion is likely - although this will also require a rejigging of its technical department.

    As important as it will be for Ferrari to find the right person to head up the team moving forward in the wake of Binotto’s departure, securing a strong technical chief is the other key battle it now faces, particularly given the strength of those departments at Red Bull and Mercedes.

    Binotto’s exit has created a domino effect that is more complex than appointing a like-for-like replacement, should any even exist. It means there is little time to waste if Ferrari wants to have a stable leadership in place so it can mount a sustained challenge for both titles in 2023 and end its drought.
     
    polishhammer83 likes this.
  5. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

    Mar 24, 2008
    41,448
    ESP
    Full Name:
    Bas
    Whilst it's correct that Binotto had to go, I really struggle to understand how an open technical director role wasn't foreseen by Ferrari in all this.
     
    Giallo 550 and jpalmito like this.
  6. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 3, 2006
    25,609
    Christian Horner would be mad to leave his position at Red Bull to jump into the Ferrari caldron.
     
    SimCity3 likes this.
  7. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 3, 2006
    25,609

    No other team is as dramatic as Ferrari.
    Following Ferrari (the Scuderia) is like watching a Greek tragedy: from high exaltation to profound dispair.
    I haven't seen that in all the car manufacturers you mentionned.
    They can take the rough with the smooth and simply conduct their business in a more dignified and even way .
     
  8. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Oct 31, 2016
    20,852
    Corpus Christi, Tx.
    Full Name:
    Joe R Gonzales
    It has to do with their strategy team. Upper management takes ques from the formula 1 strategy dept........at times clueless and no forward thinking.:rolleyes:
     
    william and Bas like this.
  9. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

    Mar 24, 2008
    41,448
    ESP
    Full Name:
    Bas
    it's 3 tyres for a pitstop all over again...
     
    250GTE and jgonzalesm6 like this.
  10. furoni

    furoni F1 World Champ

    Jun 6, 2011
    13,629
    Vila Verde
    Full Name:
    Pedro Braga Soares
    This is a "no problem", Simone Resta can perfectly do the job, and vasseur lead the team, and these two are just on top of my head, pretty sure there are other competent people out there....and no, i would not consider Steiner!
     
    Giallo 550, jgonzalesm6 and ingegnere like this.
  11. ingegnere

    ingegnere F1 Veteran
    Silver Subscribed

    Sep 12, 2004
    5,268
    Montreal
    #261 ingegnere, Nov 30, 2022
    Last edited: Nov 30, 2022
    Exactly. Pretty sure they can promote TD from within like all other teams mostly do. Also, if McLaren and AM can recruit random TPs or directors from sports cars or endurance racing why can’t Ferrari—plenty of race teams and some even race Ferraris.

    They may even promote their guy leading the LMH and GT3 activities as that was one of the rumours going around.

    Pretty silly to think Ferrari had no one in mind for succession if the rumours that Vigna was planning to rid himself of Binotto for a year already are true.

    Also pretty silly to believe that Ferrari reached out to Horner—he’s obviously going nowhere and certainly not to Italy—or Seidl. Seidl’s only accomplishment has been moving the team backwards since last year.
     
    Senna1994 and Giallo 550 like this.
  12. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Oct 31, 2016
    20,852
    Corpus Christi, Tx.
    Full Name:
    Joe R Gonzales
    I'm hearing that a possible candidate is the guy doing the 499P LeMans. I forgot his name already but Ferrari is looking at him as F1 team principal.
     
  13. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Six Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 22, 2004
    69,445
    Moot Pointe
    I hope they weren’t so clueless as to let him go without a replacement already in their pocket……
     
    william likes this.
  14. ingegnere

    ingegnere F1 Veteran
    Silver Subscribed

    Sep 12, 2004
    5,268
    Montreal
    Antonello Coletta
     
    635CSI and jgonzalesm6 like this.
  15. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Oct 31, 2016
    20,852
    Corpus Christi, Tx.
    Full Name:
    Joe R Gonzales
    Yeah!!!.....that's him!!!
     
  16. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Oct 31, 2016
    20,852
    Corpus Christi, Tx.
    Full Name:
    Joe R Gonzales
    Dutch media is suggesting Paul Hembrey(Pirelli) to be thrown into the hat for the team principal role at the team principal role at Ferrari.

    I honestly can't see this guy over Vasseur and Coletta imo.
     
    Giallo 550 and ingegnere like this.
  17. Edward 96GTS

    Edward 96GTS F1 Veteran
    Silver Subscribed

    Nov 1, 2003
    9,305
    the finger wagging at Charles was very distasteful.
     
    fil, Bas, furoni and 3 others like this.
  18. DeSoto

    DeSoto F1 Veteran

    Nov 26, 2003
    7,501
    That's because nobody cares so it doesn't get to the news so prominently. How many bosses had Jaguar in its short existance? Mercedes even had its own "palace revolution" when Toto and Niki got rid of Brawn. And McLaren killed Ron Dennis: that's almost as if Ferrari sacked Enzo Ferrari.
     
  19. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 3, 2006
    25,609

    But all these transitions were operated businesslike without scandal, and were even hardly commented.

    You expect corporations to go through some culling and change of management from time to time, if only to bring new blood

    At Ferrari it always end up with the slaying of the chief like in medieval times ! Following Ferrari is like watching the Borgias ! LOL
     
    johnireland and Jack-the-lad like this.
  20. 250boano

    250boano Formula Junior

    Apr 27, 2022
    432
    Europe
    Full Name:
    DD
    He's incredibly well versed in the world of Motorsport and is incredibly well connected. You could do a lot worse...

    He also owns/owned one of the nicest 812's I've ever seen and is responsible for the Blu Hembery paint colour, he's a proper Ferrari man
     
    Bas, 635CSI and polishhammer83 like this.
  21. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Oct 31, 2016
    20,852
    Corpus Christi, Tx.
    Full Name:
    Joe R Gonzales
    Better than Vasseur and Coletta?
     
  22. 250boano

    250boano Formula Junior

    Apr 27, 2022
    432
    Europe
    Full Name:
    DD
    Coletta would be a lunatic to step away from the Le Mans project and into the slip-and-slide disposal chute that is the F1 TP role...

    Don't get me wrong, Vasseur is more likely and better placed to do so - but I don't think Hembry is a total wildcard!
     
    jgonzalesm6 and william like this.
  23. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Jun 3, 2006
    25,609

    Yes, it would be a shame if Coletta cannot see his LMH project reach the track in years to come.
    Ferrari is likely to get more success in endurance than in F1, a possible reason why they entered the arena.
     
    Boomhauer and 250boano like this.
  24. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    F1 News

    Leclerc not involved in Binotto sacking: 'He's not of that calibre'
    12:52, Today Last update: 13:37
    0 Comments
    GPblog.com


    Mattia Binotto will no longer be Ferrari's team principal from 2023. According to the renowned and in Italy highly respected journalist Leo Turrini, it is not surprising that Ferrari made this choice. In his eyes, Binotto was the ideal scapegoat.


    It was a tumultuous week for major two Italian sports teams. Not only did the news come out that Binotto will no longer be at the helm of Ferrari's F1 team from 2023, but a day later, it was also announced that Andrea Agnelli and his cohorts (including former Ferrari team boss Maurizio Arrivabene), were stepping down as board members of football team Juventus. Speaking on Italian radio show Tutti Convocati, Turrini said, "Andrea Agnelli would have been perfect." But in a very short time, the idea of Agnelli replacing Binotto was off the table.


    Binotto and Elkann like water and fire
    That Binotto was sacked is not surprising, according to Turrini. In fact, the Italian knows that things did not quite work out between the team boss and the president of the car manufacturer. Turrini: "Mattia and John Elkann are like water and oil, chemically incompatible. If the chairman's trust in the manager no longer exists, it is logical that this decision is taken." The journalist does think the decision has come too late, as the car for 2023 is almost completely ready if all went well.

    Leclerc has nothing to do with it
    Turrini also addresses on the radio a rumour that Charles Leclerc and his management contributed to the team boss' dismissal. It emerged in the corridors that Leclerc and Binotto had been out of contact for months. According to Turrini, there is no truth to the rumour that Leclerc has worked the team boss out. Turrini: "With all his strengths and weaknesses, Binotto was just the perfect scapegoat. There are no excuses."

    Incidentally, the journalist does not even think Leclerc has a status of such a nature that he could work Binotto out of the team: "We must not forget that Leclerc, my idol, has only won five GPs. It is not Alonso who had two titles or Schumacher who also arrived at Ferrari as a two-time champion. It is precisely Ferrari's absolutely inadequate management that is the regular story at the brand."
     
  25. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/stefano-domenicali-mattia-binotto-departure/

    Horner’s colleague at Red Bull, Helmut Marko, reckons Ferrari will promote from within.

    He told SPORT1: “I can well imagine that Ferrari would give the job to its own man. That’s what BMW did when they promoted Mario Theissen, a top engineer from their own ranks, to team boss when they took over Sauber in 2006.”

    If that is the case sporting director Laurent Mekies could be the front-runner. The 45-year-old Frenchman has not only represented Binotto in some of this year’s grands prix but he also has a good relationship with Charles Leclerc.

    Jonathan Giacobazzi is another name being thrown around, he’s the team’s executive race manager. He not only has a history with the Ferrari family, his father was a close friend of Enzo Ferrari’s, but Sport1 says he already ‘acts as a kind of liaison between the racing team and the Ferrari government.

    ‘He is therefore a close confidant of both Fiat and Ferrari patriarch John Elkann and Ferrari son Pierro Lardi-Ferrari.’
     

Share This Page