End of Marlboro markings

Ah, the good old days.....

10 years ago there was no such thing as China, and there was a huge growth in the N.A. manufacturing market. Throw the Iraq and Afghan wars in, and prices have been steadily climbing since back then.

 

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And the drivers will start wearing leather caps and goggles.

No more MOMO electronic steering wheels, only big wooden tugboat style.

 

haha...actually, i would have preferred, Ferrari, for example, all red, with black rear wing, more less like how the 248 looked when MS was testing it pre 2006...

 

Since we went off on a tangent and started talking about the good old days...

Let's:

1. Bring back the gas-sucking turbos. (I will require two in my ride)
2. Bring back the gas-sucking V12's. (I'll need one of these also)
3. Bring back the slicks (I need at least 8 sets per weekend)
4. Bring back the wide-format cars (+40CM)

Now those would be the days.

 

If only we could bring back everything that we ever loved.....

Unfortunately, we don't have control over the things we hope so much for, yet are so unlikely to happen.


I hope and dream day and night that Ferrari F1 cars will look like this again,

Now I'm starting to cry...
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Yeah forget the orange. I wish they would go back to the blood red.

 

Don't forget a REAL manual trans.........

 

This looks really awesome. I always liked the clean cars of yesterday, and always wondered if the day would ever come we might see some again. I dont smoke anymore, quit 10 years ago the 19th. I dont like to see anyone smoke. But I support the freedom of people to be able to choose. When we start to take all freedoms away we wont have much left worth living for.

 

+1

I still don't understand how they came to the conclusion that the orange (rosso scuderia) gets picked up by the cameras better. Does the marketing dept. at Ferrari only have black and white TVs?

 

!!!! No! Its because orange (ros scud) is the new green ($$$)

 

I would think that this new rule makes all the Marlboro Branded team gear more collectible ..no? Morry you reading this???

My latest purchase 2001 Hilfiger Marboro Zip Fleece..took me a long time to tarck one of these now rare pieces down
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Lol. Good point.

 

YAY! agree

 

Boy what a bunch of piss poor arguments. Cigarette smoking part of F1 culture? What world are you guys living in? While I wasn’t following F1 in the 70s (too young) I certainly was in the 80s and there wasn’t one single driver I wanted to emulate that was smoking. Yes I said emulate. Smoking advertising works to create smokers. Period. You can spout all of the cr@p you want about it only being there to entice smokers to another brand but the fact is advertising works, and it works to generate new customers first and entice brand switch second. If it didn’t than how’d we get all of these smokers? Osmosis?

When was the last time you saw a driver smoke a cigarette? When was the last time you saw a crew member lighting one up? Yea, it hasn’t been part of the F1 “culture” since the 70s. Even then it wasn’t F1 culture it simply was the western culture of the time. Everyone smoked back then. Wake up, the world has moved on. Technology has progressed, science has progressed and people’s views about living in a society and the fact that cigarettes are a poison to your system have led us to this point. I suppose the argument that “if you want to poison yourself that’s your own choice” might work but the fact is I have to help pay for these individuals eventual sickness with my tax dollars and through higher health insurance rates. Now I’m a liberal guy but, I think there are many more items that I’d like to see my tax dollars go towards than this. For the cell phone argument of “If excessive cell phone use is found to cause brain cancer should we ban all the Cellular providers from advertising in F1” they wouldn’t have to ban the advertising because cell phones would be pulled from the market in a heartbeat until they could make one that didn’t kill people.

It amazes me how some people here can b#tch and moan about F1 no longer being technologically progressive and then want to burry their heads in the sand and “live in the good old days!” Make up your minds. What do you want? The olden days or the future? The old days aren’t coming back and the future is coming quicker than you think. You’re out of touch, and trust me I know. While I love this board I will say that the age range is toward an older generation, and when I look at what’s discussed here and what’s discussed on another car board I belong to that’s skewed toward the early 20 some-things, you’re all being left behind.

Smoking is still around because of money. Money has kept the smoking lobby here in the US as a viable influence on Congress and the laws they make. Tobacco money has also had a hold on F1 teams because they’ve been addicted to the cash flow the tobacco companies have given them. Now that that’s being cut off they’ll evolve and find other revenue steams. If they can’t find other advertisers to replace the tobacco companies then the argument about F1 being such a good marketing tool is just a load of bunk and the free market will have its way. That means less money for teams and they’ll just have to be cleverer with the income they have. Tobacco is not dangerous it’s deadly. It will eventually kill you. Auto racing while it is dangerous will not eventually kill you. The two are totally separate, and the argument that they are one in the same is entirely false. Sorry guys, but if you buy into the other argument, that they are two birds of the same feather, then you’re simply proof that the advertising works.

 

Than goverment willl demand that Ferrari puts "this is not an advertisement for Marlboro" on the car.

 

But they wouldnt be allowed to put the word Marlboro on the car so it would be "Not an ad for the company that sponsors you but we cant show it on this place because they make cigarettes and cigarettes are bad". Still trying to imagine how awesome a "plain" F1 car look. AMAZING!!!

 

If advertising didn't work, do you honestly think Altria would spend millions of dollars on it?

 

And before every F1 race, they will have a intro :

"The program you are about to watch contains scenes of violence, and unappropriate images, viewing for mature audiences only. The views expressed in this program are not affiliated with this station, nor does it condone or support any products shown, viewer discretion advised, rated R,

Bernie Ecclestone Presents................."

 

hAHaahaha..

 

Well every time you see a McLaren go by ... Jacks cousin Jonnie Walker is on there! so there is booze on TV after all.

 

So who cares? make up your own mind if you want to smoke... as for smoking being part of F-1... you have not spent much time at any of the race tracks... lots of the mechanics smoke, as well as tons of europeans... its part of the culture... the USA is really anti smoking, and some europeans are heading that way, but I challange you to walk 5 ft in Paris with out stepping on a butt... or seeing a monsieur lighting up! un gitanes tout le mond?... your point about F-1 being about money is correct... and tobacco was a big part of it... as for being left behind... cause I'm old... screw you... the 80's was a golden age of F-1... more teams, huge technology gains... that made todays cars what they are... F-1 today ... leads to NOTHING... thats why its not technically interesting... its becoming like the WWF ... or NASCAR... both of which are shows ... and not good ones! so if that means living in the past... BACK TO THE FUTURE!

T. Spiro

 

I have to say I disagree with this. I was in the pits at the Canadian GP in 1994 as a mechanic on both a FF1600 and a Formula Atlantic (we were running the supporting races) and while we were in the pits I certainly kept a close eye on the F1 garages. I didn't see a single cigarette. Not one. I was in the pits for at least a full hour every day during that weekend. Then during the FF1600 race just before the F1 race, all of the F1 head honchos came out to the wall to watch the race. We were on the wall across from Tyrell and sure enough Ken came out and was standing right beside me. No one, no where has a cigarette and I certainly couldn't smell any lingering smoke on anyone. Oh, and our driver Mike Sauce won the race in a Swift DB1. I believe the only American to ever do so.

I was also at the Japanese GP two years ago and as much as the Japanese smoke, I have to say I didn't see anyone smoking at the track. I'd even posted some photos here at Fchat and if you look at them, no one is SMOKING. They were eating, drinking, and buying F1 merchandise like there was no tomorrow, but to be honest I really don't remember a single person smoking. I'll ask my friend that was there with me if my memory is serving me but my point is, it may have been part of the "life" in the 70s but it certainly isn't now.

Some euorpeans heading that way? I'd say all of europe is heading that way and in a big hurry! I was in Ireland last year, and there is comprehensive ban in all workplaces, including pubs and restaurants. Trust me it's strange to walk into a pub in Ireland and not see anyone smoke. Now for the Paris challange! Guess what? The smoking BAN in France has just taken effect. ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6319649.stm ) "The BBC Paris correspondent says 70% of people in France say they favour the ban as do half of all smokers" The ban is about the same as Ireland's and Italy's. Also add Sweeden and Malta to that list. A member of the centre-right UMP party who proposed the smoking ban to the National Assembly two years ago, Yves Bur, told the BBC cigarettes were no longer a part of French culture:

"I think that the image of the French culture, the French way of life, is not only the smoking of cigarettes.

"Today there is a large consensus in French opinion for this banning of smoking and I think it will be a good thing for the majority." So no more sitting out in the cafe and smoking your Gitanes! The world has moved on, only your perception of it hasn't.

I'll agree the 80s was the golden age of F1. I'll probably wind up buying the old races on DVD and watching them with my friends sometime. But, really when you look at the contribution F1 gave to the automotive world during that time the only thing that really has any impact is the ECU. Turbo chargers? They were around long before the 80s and Porsche had put them to good use in the 70s before Renault started the turbo revolution in F1. Lotus active suspension? Show me a car today that has a full active suspension. Composites? Only on the imports running around with carbon fiber hoods.

Do I miss those times? Sure, but I'm looking forward to the new season and will be sitting with friends to watch it all unfold. Which is really what F1 or any other event is all about. Having something you can enjoy with your frieds, even the ones that don't agree with you about smoking bans.

I'll agree with you again that F1 today leads to nothing. Engines revving to 20,000rpm have little use in real world applications. The zero shift gearbox was developed outside of F1 http://www.racecar-engineering.com/images/features/paradigmshift.pdf . Ferrari's semi automatic gearbox development is now almost 20 years old and how much of an impact has it had on the average car? How about a Hybrid race car? Leave it to Don Panoz ( http://www.racecar-engineering.com/images/features/16_5_6/electricracecar.pdf ) not an F1 team. The ALMS has much, much more technological significance than F1 does today, diesel engines and now possibly hybrids.

Have a good evening Tom. I hope I haven't gotten you too wound up.

 

Cigarettes and alcohol should stick with sponsoring sports like Darts and Billiards,

They can find lots of new customers there!

 

New Marlboro livery looks good to me.
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thats a damn good set of pics Gemm. i though PS was involved in the 2nd pic, i saw the Ferrari the other way round!