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  1. firrare

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    Hello

    Can anyone find out what car it is? It was discovered in Brazil in the 70's. It is a Ferrari 212 with spider bodywork and LHD. A really strange stuff.

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  4. merstheman

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    The conversion to LHD would be harder back in the day, but the alterations to the bodywork I could see happening fairly easily, especially if the car was involved in an accident or something of the sort.
     
  5. firrare

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    I understand your argument but 0180ET and 0198ET have not changed in appearance throughout their careers. So it is indeed another car that arrived in Brazil in 1954. It too did not change bodywork until it was discovered by C. Crabbe.

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  6. Ferrari27

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    How can you be sure the car is a LHD 212? Ok, so there is no steering wheel visible on the right hand side but there is no windscreen either as the car is clearly in bits. There is no bulge under the cover on the left hand side that says for certain there is a steering wheel there. The steering wheel is, possibly, sat on top of the cover and not attached to the car but the photograph is not clear enough to be sure of this. Why a LHD 212 and not a RHD 250?
     
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  9. merstheman

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    Here's one with 2 holes, in Brazil, driven by Angelo Juliano

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    What s/n is this?
     
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    0072/E...
     
  11. firrare

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    Ardy, I agree with 0072E. This car is well known in Brazil and does not pose any particular problem.

    As for the enigmatic Ferrari, I think it is an odd number that was most probably modified at Vignale in 1952-53 and delivered "new" in South America in early 1954. A great classic of the time. I would add that I am certain of the engine capacity.

    It remains to be seen which number it is............
     
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    There was a Touring Barchetta raced in Brasil in 50's : 0016/M...
     
  15. firrare

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    In fact, what interests me is to know the chassis number of the Peugeot 203 which is on the right of the picture
     
  16. firrare

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    This car is not 0016M
     
  17. Marcel Massini

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    What makes you think it is NOT 0016 M?
    It is a short hood Barchetta.

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  19. firrare

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    The charm of this picture makes us think it's 0016M but it's not. I am categorical!
     
  20. firrare

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    This car is not 0024M
     
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  23. Marcel Massini

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    If you are so sure that it is neither 0016 M nor 0024 M, which one is it (post #13) then?

    Marcel Massini
     
  24. ketil3

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    Location is Venezuela perhaps, based on the hats?
     
  25. furoni

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    Are you sure? because the paint scheme looks identical! And i doubt there were many 166 mms in Brazil!
     

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