News

Enzo´s Ferrari´s

Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by GTE, Nov 9, 2004.

  1. Boudewijn

    Boudewijn Moderator
    Moderator

    May 15, 2003
    4,125
    The Netherlands
    Full Name:
    Boudewijn Berkhoff
    Ed I think you mean #4031SA, renumbered from 3097SA?!
    Best
    Boudewijn
     
  2. To remove this ad click here.

  3. El Wayne

    El Wayne Global Moderator
    Global Moderator Owner

    Aug 1, 2002
    17,971
    San Marino, CA
    Full Name:
    L. Wayne Ausbrooks
    Ed, once again, thanks for your invaluable input.

    We've discussed this issue before here on the old F-Chat board. Interestingly, Boudewijn's response in this thread marked his F-Chat debut. Gerald Roush's comments shed a little light on the s/n confusion:

     
  4. vince308

    vince308 Formula 3

    May 23, 2003
    1,303
    belgium
    Full Name:
    vincent
    I'll love to see pictures of MR. ENZO's cars.........pictures.....please...........
     
  5. Boudewijn

    Boudewijn Moderator
    Moderator

    May 15, 2003
    4,125
    The Netherlands
    Full Name:
    Boudewijn Berkhoff
    #29 Boudewijn, Nov 10, 2004
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
  6. lukek

    lukek Formula 3

    May 2, 2003
    2,046
    San Francisco
    Full Name:
    LK
    one of my fave pics
     
  7. To remove this ad click here.

  8. shaughnessy

    shaughnessy Formula 3
    Rossa Subscribed

    Apr 1, 2004
    1,795
    Wolfeboro NH
    Full Name:
    Thomas E Shaughnessy
    Rumor has it 2169GT 250GTE was used by enzo for a period of time,
    Paris Show car 1960. Looking for photos, naturally


    Tom Shaughnessy
    GTE owner
    2169GT
     
  9. El Wayne

    El Wayne Global Moderator
    Global Moderator Owner

    Aug 1, 2002
    17,971
    San Marino, CA
    Full Name:
    L. Wayne Ausbrooks
    Tom, so you believe that 2169GT was the Paris Show car and not 2043GT? Why's that?
    (further discussions here and here, by the way)
     
  10. shaughnessy

    shaughnessy Formula 3
    Rossa Subscribed

    Apr 1, 2004
    1,795
    Wolfeboro NH
    Full Name:
    Thomas E Shaughnessy
    As per the Bill Preston GTE register 2 cars in 1960 were show cars
    then allegedly 2169GT was Enzo's car for a while. 2169Gt is the first production GTE
    Please not use of the English Language "ALLEGED"

    I bought the car from the Shook family, car was in Michigan, now enroute


    Tom Shaughnessy
    San Clemente CA
     
  11. GTE

    GTE F1 Veteran

    Jun 24, 2004
    9,741
    The Netherlands
    Full Name:
    Marnix
    It is remarkable that two cars claim to be 3097SA. Lets call them the Lusso and the 400 SA to make it transparant.

    Interestingly, allthough both cars are very different, they are both rumoured to have been in Enzo´s possesion during some time of his live. Early sixties.

    The Lusso´s claims to being owned by Enzo seem purely based upon rumours, where as the 400SA as certain documents to back the claim up.

    So, couldn´t it be that the Lusso was mistakingly viewed upon as 3097SA? I can imagine when someone heard about Enzo owning 400 SA #3097SA, then stumbles across a SA, looking like a Lusso, allegedly also owned by Enzo at some time, one merely assumes the Lusso is #3097SA and from then on, the story takes off.

    It still is curious that there is so little information and so many questionmarks about what Ferrari´s Enzo actually owned.

    Thanks again guys.
     
  12. To remove this ad click here.

  13. kare

    kare F1 Rookie
    Consultant

    Nov 11, 2003
    3,297
    I have also seen 2 cars mentioned, but doubt that only one car (2043/GT) was being displayed. Have never seen any proof to back up claims of 2169/GT having been displayed and showing two cars would have made little sense in contrast to how few cars were around at the time.

    Will be very interesting to see some photos of 2169/GT!!!

    Best wishes, Kare
     
  14. Sempre_gilles

    Sempre_gilles Formula Junior

    Jul 11, 2003
    825
    Full Name:
    AdK
    Slightly off-topic perhaps, but didn't Enzo also test drive an ASA?
     
  15. Edward 96GTS

    Edward 96GTS F1 Rookie
    Silver Subscribed

    Nov 1, 2003
    4,019
    1287GT (2+2) was most likely Enzo's first GT2+2. According to assembly sheets.
    Prototype SA motor(internal number 8), was later mounted in Enzo's 2+2 1287GT and then renumbered to 2257SA.
    2257SA(1287GT) was later used as a test mule.
    Motor in 1287GT was id as 1287SA and mounted in Enzo's 400SA 3097SA. This 400SA was later renumbered 4031SA.
    Info according to past owner(Jim Truitt) of Enzo's 400SA 4031SA.
     
  16. sjvalin

    sjvalin Formula Junior

    Aug 31, 2004
    713
    Nevada County, CA
    Full Name:
    Steve Valin
    I think it was a prototype of what would become an ASA. The engine was 850cc and the press called it the Ferrarina. It had a machine gun logo as a badge. I believe Ferrari prototyped it and shopped around for a manufacturer. It was picked up by a customer, who formed ASA to build it.

    Something like that. I'm sure someone has more details. I'm relying on memories of something I read a while back.

    -steve
     
  17. GTE

    GTE F1 Veteran

    Jun 24, 2004
    9,741
    The Netherlands
    Full Name:
    Marnix
    I recently saw a pic of the Ferrarina. It doesn't look all that spectacular, but the machinegun-logo intrigues me. Who has some background on it?
     
  18. John Vardanian

    John Vardanian F1 Rookie

    Jul 1, 2004
    2,790
    San Francisco Area
    Full Name:
    John Vardanian
    Ed,

    Where did they fit the extra 10cm? It looks pretty proportional to me. Though the area behind the back window seems longer. May be lense distortion.

    john
     
  19. Birel

    Birel Formula 3

    Sep 12, 2005
    1,589
    Brisbane
    Full Name:
    Andrew Turner
    In my Hong Kong days at Italian Motors we imported this car from Italy, bought it through Adolfo Orsi in Modena, sold it to a HK Chinese collector. I can't remember if he ever collected it, we had it in store for ages. Eventually it got repossessed and I have know idea where it went. The colour was a very dark red, possibly rosso Rubino, with a black interior. The car was tired but sufficiently original to be acceptable. It probably went to USA, KPMG Peat-Marwick had something to do with the financing. Would be interesting to redicover this car !
     
  20. Ken

    Ken F1 World Champ

    Oct 19, 2001
    16,078
    Arlington Heights IL
    Full Name:
    Kenneth
    Correct. It was an ad for tires. The voice over said something along the lines of, "Every Ferrari shipped to (US?) comes with (Perelli?) tires. Why? Because Enzo Ferrai wants it that way." And he stands up with the sunglasses looking aloof.

    Ken
     
  21. Ed Niles

    Ed Niles Formula 3
    Honorary

    Sep 7, 2004
    2,477
    West Hills, CA
    Full Name:
    Edwin K. Niles
    For the historians, the gent who owned the Miramar Hotel and the "Lusso" 400SA (and who claimed he bought it from Enzo) was Joe Massaglia.
     
  22. Hubert1

    Hubert1 Karting

    Mar 24, 2006
    157
    France
    #44 Hubert1, Oct 12, 2006
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
  23. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Two Time F1 World Champ
    BANNED

    Apr 29, 2004
    27,086
    Austin TX
    Full Name:
    Brian Crall



    Goodyear.

    "Every Ferrari Testarossa comes equipped with Goodyear tires. Why? (car drives up, Enzo gets out) Because Enzo wanted it that way".
     
  24. flaviaman

    flaviaman Formula Junior

    Jul 26, 2005
    295
    Vernonia, OR
    Full Name:
    Gregg
    I was on a factory visit in 1981 or 82: they were much more casual in those days...while we were being escorted
    (by Goldoni if I recall correctly) we saw Sig. Ferrari being
    escorted into a stretched Fiat sedan. Even then Sig Ferrari looked rather feeble, his two "minders" holding on to each arm. I cannot imagine he had the strength to drive a TR in 1984 any distance, if at all.
     
  25. hhh

    hhh Karting

    Aug 19, 2004
    101
    Netherlands
    I find this a difficult thread with lots of speculation.

    Surely before Fiat stepped in he never really had to own a car personally, he just used whatever was available and he maybe kept a factory car for his own use over a longer period.

    And later, when Fiat stepped in, I see no reason why he suddenly had to buy cars. Of course there must be lots of owners who claim owning Enzo's personal car but without any proof.

    In the old days using/racing cars and then selling them as new with another number was not unusual!
     
  26. Maranello Guy

    Maranello Guy F1 Rookie

    Jun 5, 2005
    3,166
    -)
    Full Name:
    MG
    I have heard that Issigonis gave him a car but Enzo sent it back because it was..........RHD and asked for another one LHD !

    Once I've also found information that Enzo had 2 Minis...
     
  27. GTE

    GTE F1 Veteran

    Jun 24, 2004
    9,741
    The Netherlands
    Full Name:
    Marnix

    I agree that it is unlikely that Enzo had possession of his personal cars in the mere legal sense of the word, but even the cars that were used on a regular base by the man himself have great historic value added. At least to me.
     
  28. dsd

    dsd F1 Rookie
    Silver Subscribed Owner

    Nov 19, 2006
    3,846
    Northern Virginia
    For the life of me I cannot remember where I read the story of Enzo being driven around in a Mondial 8 by Gilles Villeneuve.
     

Share This Page