Espada thread

That was my point. It IS a very well documented and known car. I don't know who thinks this was a prototype? It's just a very custom order that also got pressed into duty at the Monaco Grand Prix. Sort of like Frank Sinatra's Miura I suppose?

I wonder if they held on to the leather from the front passenger seat? Grace Kelly sat in it ...

And what relevance does the original owner's tax status at that time have?
He apparently used it as a promotional item as well as an exotic car. Good for him because we now have an interesting story.

The story after the second owner left it to his granddaughter is not a good one though.
Today it's in decent shape once again but what the hell is up with that thing on the hood?

Have you seen the car in person or driven it?

Some people hate the paint. I liked it and it was in amazing shape. I presume that they've fixed a couple of problem areas.

I also thought the early aftermarket ignition boxes were so period cool looking that I would have left them in place. I presume that the original owner put those on but I don't know that.

 

I'm sorry, this must not be the flake sunroof car Wil Degroot was selling in the early 2000s, he was asking around 25k and sold it for 25k to someone I know. I just could not afford it at the time since I had just recently bought my Countach.

 

Oh it's the same car. I "tried" to buy it too for a bit more than that. Other people did as well. The car is now somewhere else and the exact details about how it got there probably isn't worth repeating again. You can PM me if you want to discuss it any further on the phone Peter.

I'm happy to see that it ended up with the same owner as the Miura roadster eventually so that it got the resources it needed. It was supposed to be in Australia after I bowed out.

Being associated with the roadster plus an appearance at The Quail was a great coming out for the car and is probably why it auctioned for as much as it did at the time. I think it helped to drag all Espadas up market as there are several sales near or more than that amount since.

I can't speak for you but in the end I thought the car just needed far too much work for my resources and even though I knew it could eventually become worth more than other Espadas there was no way I could accomplish what that owner did to elevate it's presence in the collector community.

 

#7293 remains in Germany.

 

Bob, I refer to the tax status of the car, because the glass roof panel was ordered for that purpose.

There is a misconception that the car is a prototype and this misconception was reinforced by the fact that the car was owned by a collector who showed the car alongside the Miura Roadster which is in fact a factory prototype.

Reference to the tax status is relevant to the extent that it reaffirms the non - prototype status of the car.

The addition of the Ferruccio signature badge ( similar to the original GTV) on the hood is an attempt in my opinion to continue to purport the prototype status and misrepresent the car to be something that it is not.

I am sure that most collectors would like to learn what is the truth and what is fiction about this highly publicised Espada





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Well I don't get it.

You appear to be in your own world on this view?

Or are there others who share it?

To me it's just a car that was custom ordered and used as an aide to promote his business enterprise?

For me it's just a Wynns win ...

The actual history is there out in open for all to read.

So what's the mystery?

 

Bob,

You may well be aware of its history, but many people I have spoken with in Lamborghini circles seem to regard the car as being a factory prototype.

 

Where's their evidence of that? What was prototypical about it?

Shag carpeting?

Glass roof? No one would ever pretend to think that this was a safe and feasible way to put a skylight into that car. It's held in by a bunch of tiny little screws hence the placard on the dash. It also wasn't even finished properly inside around that glass roof when I saw it. Maybe it was better when it left the factory? If it is what makes it a prototype that's one FULL moon roof! It's really neat but out in the hot sun ... OMG that car must be hot.

Circles?

When I first presented the details and photos of the car to Valentino his first reaction was that it was a cobbled up fake. After researching he then told me that all of the unusual specifications were in fact done by the factory as a special order.

Yah, circles ...

OK if they really believe that then perhaps they have other direct evidence non one else has seen? Ask to see it.

Gary Bobileff did most the work on that car so I have to believe that he would have most of the details.

 

This is NOT the 1st or the only one Lamborghini bought with TAX deduction at period, as I know already quite few others.

I agree with all who said it is NOT a prototype, but just a custom car/special order nothing else...

I know its current German owner who like the idea to have a special Espada without saying it is a protoype, but a car driven by Prince Rainier =>Lamborghini back in Monaco

 

The text in your link explicitely calls it a "prototype": "The prototype will soon be presented right where the car began its life: in Monaco, in the splendour of the royal house. The car will be seen again in Europe for the first time since 1969."

Just another example for sellers trying to make an financial advantage out of an actual disadvantage .... That is the skill of good salesmen (if they succeed)

 

was the text written by owner ?

He is interviewed, if the reportage guy made a mistake... but I agree also with you, skill of a good saleman, knowing that whole his collection is always for sale...

 

Began it's life ... ha ha ha, yes someone is stretching the story just a bit but no big deal.

I'm not sure I see any disadvantage though. It's a unique car because of it's glass roof, paint job and it's appearance at the Grand Prix. I wonder if anyone has any film of their travel around the course? It certainly would have made a very splashy presence at the time. I wonder if the owner flew over to be there. I would have insisted! LOL

 

For my dearest Espada friends:

Lamborghini Espada Series 2 | eBay

 

It's legendary but not a factory prototype ... LOL

 

OMG!

Interestingly, the engine presumably is from an Islero or perhaps even a 400 GT (see placement of oil filter and filler).

As a parts car quite interesting, if the reserve is reasonable. If it were in Europe, I would place a bid.

 

But the engine has a Espada/Jarama engine number.

 

Hi Eric,

Where do you see the engine number (on the engine, not on the ID badge, which will not be replaced upon engine swap)?

The engine number is stamped on top of the block between the cylinder heads (i.e. under the cooling fluid pipe between the heads, visible in the photos).

To my knowledge all Jarama and Espada engines have a climate compressor bracket, into which the engine oil is added, and, accordingly, 6 or 7 studs in the block for mounting thereof. And the oil filter is located transversely and under the front of the engine. But I might be wrong?

Would be interesting to inquire the actual engine number on the engine block from the seller. And then argue the price/reserve, if it does not match the ID badge *looool*. If my guess is right there might be someone around desperately looking for just this engine in order to make his/her Islero/400GT matching numbers...

 

Compare:

400GT (first photo) vs. Espada (second photo). I believe that the 350GT engine has the same arrangement as the 400GT.
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I have put my hands on an Espada engine block today. Is there a way to match it up to the car?
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Engine belonged to #8764 aka Mad Max.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/141394143-post2116.html

The car has now a 500hp Countach engine.

 

Interesting. Thanks a lot. Is the owner on here? how can I contact him?

 

That would be Jack's old car and I don't know if the fellow who put the monster Countach engine in it has sold it, he was trying. Contact Jack.

 

The carb set up is there too.

 

Thanks, just posted on VLG

 

Just curious - was a proper sunroof ever an factory option when buying these cars new?