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  1. LP500

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    I sure hope the owner isn't poor. Not a good idea that. Hello new clutch ...

    But finally ... an Espada with adequate mirrors! :)
     
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    Lamborghini Espada 1974 for sale - PreWarCar

    I believe the car is still in the same shape: "a very low milage and well kept Espada, from a long term ownership. Garaged for the past 15 years'
     
  4. staatsof

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    Not sure that looks legit?
     
  5. Peter K.

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    Why is a UK guy selling a car here in the US? Why not the owner here sell it or, at least advertise it. I think the UK guy is trying to make a lot money. I bet you if owned by someone in the US, he would sell for much less.
    Just my experience from looking for one recently and also knowing the prices over the years.
     
  6. BJJ

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    #3881 BJJ, Apr 10, 2015
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    All of you are sooooo old shool. Nowadays patina commands a premium. Just look at this absolutely lovely patina in the engine bay. This car should not be driven, but put into a museum in order to preserve this authentic patina resulting from decades of age. The only points missing are a bit more dust and grime, a little bit of hay thrown onto the car, placing some hens onto the bonnet, roof and into the inside, and an old barn around. Together with a story about a strange guy, who forgot that he had this car and then passed away. And when a nuclear plant was supposed to be built right where the barn stood, the trashman responsible discovered this gem, protected it from being crushed and inquired with mark experts. Then 200,000.-- would even be fully justified.
     
  7. Peter K.

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    Fun post. Put a smile on my face while having my coffee.

    I would actually agree with all that if the car was 100% original.
     
  8. staatsof

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    Then you would have loved the chicken shiat S1 Espada auctioned off in France a couple of years ago Bernhard. It still had hay dust and excrement on it at auction time, very authentic!

    Eggs not included ... LOL :D
     
  9. Peter K.

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    I was trying to bid on that car.
    Auction house screwed me. Their policy is they will call your phone number prior to bidding. They had 2 numbers and never called. Sat with the phones for hours. I was going to bid more than what it sold for. I was fuming. That's when I turned my attention to buying a Jarama.
     
  10. BJJ

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    Sounds great! I missed that one ... *looooooool*
     
  11. staatsof

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    How's the current Espada hunt?
     
  12. Peter K.

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    It has slowed down. The prices for full-on projects are slightly unrealistic. Hard to justify but still looking. Interestingly, most have been S3s (or very late S2).
     
  13. Olivier NAMECHE

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  14. staatsof

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    That tach needs a bit O work ... ;)
     
  15. Peter K.

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    Thanks. Will discuss.
     
  16. lambomiura

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    Some kind of a Bob Wallace / Jota upgrade..

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  17. BJJ

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    :D

    By the way, I left away the four nuts, which fix the wooden dash board carrying these instruments, they are a pain to get by. And this dash part is fixed sufficiently anyway by the four bolts (rear side of the wooden dash) in the respective brackets and the leather surrounding making it a tight fit. Makes many things a lot easier to get by, just pull it out and reach most parts behind without bending fingers.
     
  18. LAEspada

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    This is a known problem in Espadas. When you really step on it, the tach can torque-react, the needle staying in place while the whole instrument spins around. This is analogous to the way rookie F4U Corsair pilots sometimes found themselves suddenly inverted when they heedlessly thrust the throttle forward on the 2000-hp R2800, the entire plane spinning around its axis in opposition to the propeller. It was as surprising to them as this phenomenon is to Espada drivers...
     
  19. staatsof

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    :D you better ask Bob H. & Laust to work up some tubos for that thing.

    After long enough ownership NOTHING surprises an Espada owner ... oh maybe a year WO something to fix would be nice.

    Today was an Espada day for me.

    Good news it finally started after a long winter. But I have a 1/2 volt voltage drop problem and that's affecting the Pertronix units.

    I was able to unstick the clutch by repeatedly dumping the clutch @ 6,000 ... in neutral ;)
    That actually worked like a champ! Yeah! My tach didn't rotate either! :D

    I was also able to remove the stripped square nut in the seat rail anchors on the floor pan so that can be replaced. I also dropped the seat racks off at the fabrication shop for repairs and extension pieces. Great!

    Then there was the bad ... I stepped on the brake pedal and it went to the floor, even with pumping nothing, nada, zilch, zip ... it's kaput!

    No fluid anywhere and the reservoirs are still topped off.

    I suspect spontaneous Karpetitus syndrome - the brake and clutch masters will go off to Ron Karp soon I expect ... :(

    Very odd that this just happened with zero warning over the winter but the car did not move at all last year whilst the seats were in the upholsterer's gulag, long story.
     
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  21. BJJ

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    Espada prices seem to go crazy. At the Techno Classica fair in Essen (Europes largest classic car fair) this weekend I saw 4 Espadas in the price range from 135,000.-- to 400,000.-- Euro. The former a project car in all aspects, the latter good, but with nonoriginality issues.

    Although these cars wer not (yet) sold on Friday (the rest of the weekend still to come), already quite a number of cars at generally very high price levels had "sold" signs. The high prices seem to be paid, amazingly ...

    An Islero Ser. I was offered in the "bugdet market" for 165,000.--. To put it back into orginal state will take considerable time and money.
     
  22. Peter K.

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    Nice angle, Gary.
     
  23. Olivier NAMECHE

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    Yes, it is gone the time Espada were cheap freak...

    the white S3 you mention is #9460 sold for 110.000 € in need of full restoration, minimum budget of 100.000 €

    the blue S3 #9334 was offered at 145.000 € with at least 60.000 € to spend on it.

    the blue S1 was sold by Klima Lounge for 280.000 €

    the gold one sold by Klima Lounge for 300.000 €

    the brown one non original sold by Thiesen sold for 149.000 €

    in addition since the begining of the year, there was silver S3 #9110 sold at Artcurial for 183.000 €, the blue S3 #8952 sold by MMC Paris for 175.000 €, the green S3 #9034 for 160.000 € and green S3 #9366 for 180.000 €...

    Espada market has not finished to grow...
     
  24. Luis A.

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    Do we think there is a wide pricing gap between the U.S. and Europe? Or is it a case that the cars that have sold in Europe are of much better condition than those in the U.S.?
     
  25. BJJ

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    The bad one was grubby and presumably a non-driver ("driver" means in my terms that it makes it out of the exhibition halls without the need of assistance or anomalies like fire, explosions, bangs, collapsing suspension etc.). It was definitely not a reliable driver in the sense that I would have dared to jump in and drive it home (350 miles).

    People are going nuts here. One well known top end dealer sold all (!!) cars on his stand. And then bought a Daytona from another dealer and resold it at the same fair for 100,000.-- Euro on top of the purchase price.

    Swissöl (they make polish waxes and other similar stuff) had a 599 GTB as a demonstrator for their products on their stand. A guy wanted to buy that car immediately (nothing special with the car, I saw it) and paid them 139,000.-- Euro ... :D. A Maranello was sold on Friday already, which had a price tag of 135.000,-- Euro.

    P.S.: Although the Euro is so weak, it seems that more and more US cars appear on the European market. Same with Japanese cars (reimport).
     

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