In today's market it will sell for far more than that. Back up a few pages and look at the car listed at Gullwing for $89K but not sold either or the one that was sold off of a field in Novato California. It's a reasonably early S2 as well.
I personally fully agree. I never understood why an US spec car prior to all these emissions and bumper stories is supposed to be considerably less worth than an Euro car. Some even believe (and act accordingly) that e.g. a "originally Germany delivered" comands a premium. I do not see any reason for this. And in the same context, it is arguable (in my view) why a 2. owner Espada should be worth more than a 6. owner Espada (equal condition assumed). And even further, I dare to say that two cars of equal condition are worth the same, even if one has a documented full service history from day one and the other one nothing except registration papers. The documentation is a nice to have but not worth $$$$$ (in my eyes). In most cases I am called stupid saying this .
You won't hear that from me ... I think there are an awful lot of "collectors" who listen to the "experts" many of who are glorified brokers. They know what they can buy and sell the cars for but not about the actual cars themselves. As for the number of previous owners ... certainly we've all seen cars that have been handed off poorly from one owner to the next with no one really fixing certain issues and at each step the car becomes worse as this and that is attempted to fix "things". But you can also have a single owner who just doesn't take good care and or performs shoddy maintenance or modifications. I also believe "originality" is way overblown but you can not fight city hall on this. I have two cars that I would not trade for brand new original versions of them unless all I was going to do is look at them. One I did buy brand new and the other with just 3,000 miles on it. I say that because they didn't work well as delivered and it took me a long time and a lot of effort to make them run well. But a lot of people are just looking at these cars, speculating on value and driving them very little.
ROFL.....you wild Bob I also believe this why we do not see owners post photos any more (not like the old days). The critique makes owners uncomfortable.
Oh and it's even worse if you talk about repair issues you've had or are still having. Then it affects the potential sale value. "Oh just look at all the trouble THAT car had ..." While that may be in some cases but I can also attest that I've been a passenger and driven some cars that might look fantastic but they still needed some sorting. There are very few truly well sorted vintage cars and when it comes to the Italian ones it's like they're all relatives of Roseanne Rosannadanna ... They will never be perfect and you can always open the windows and listen to fabulous sounds to drown out any err ah minor irregularities.
*lool* Indeed, but only those know, who actually use these cars for what they were intended (driving, not standing). Presently there are quite a number of cars offered as condition "1". This is defined in Germany as "as new or better than new". Just for fun I sometimes show some interest, look at the production date of the tires and ask when the cooling hoses, gas hoses and the brake caliper pistons have been replaced. Typically the tires are shiny but rarely less than 5 years old. The above questions are typically answered with "dunno", if at all. In most cases these condition "1" cars have mayor technical needs, some even are non-drivers. They need to be pushed around (true!). That makes me remember looking at a shiny C2 Corvette just last year, the vendor (dealer) started the engine upon my request and I instantly had to yell at him to quit, because the ignition lines and exhaust on the rh side were showered with petrol spray (this is not an exaggeration!) *loool* Someone asking such questions as above is anyway instantly disqualified for a "p.o.a." car ..... . No real collector and presumably not able to afford real collector items .
I think the automatic kills it for most. Especially when we have one guy who documented converting to a 5spd.
I agree. A guy I know had an automatic for a couple of years. It does not really blend in well. Awful driving actually. And never attempt emerging an underground garage with cold engine ...
There was a guy out in the SF Bay Area who bought a pair of automatic Espadas, a his and a hers, back when they were new. A friend of mine knew them and loved the cars. So? Today you can tune that automatic quite a bit and have the torque converter reconfigured. Better yet but a modern box in it! For me it's the overall condition and I'm not a fan of rubber bumpers. Even with a five speed I wouldn't want this car. Apparently no one does at that price anyway.
Hi All, FYI You need this tool to get to the turn switch and the key lock complete assy. You can make a tool. Dorian Tool ER25NTS42 Standard Nut for ER25 Ultra Precision Collets, M32 x 1.5 Thread, 42mm Diameter x 20mm Height: Hardware Nuts: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific Bob Huber Vintage Lambo LLC Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
I hope whoever owns this covers it on pavement or in a building. Covering a car on grass/dirt is a huge mistake. Constant moisture coming from the ground rusting everything fast.
It is Phil N's old car - very thorough restoration and among the best Espada's you will see. Now at a good home so I suspect that this is not its normal place of resting. John
Hi All, Looks like Espadas are Cool Cars! The McQueen committee emailed and is giving us VIP parking in the show. I will take photos at the show. This was super nice as we were "late to the party" at sign up. Mike Trivich S1 ... Aaron Robinson S2 ... and Bob Huber S3 The show is this Saturday. https://stevemcqueencarshow.com/ Bob Huber
I don't think so, you already have them on your car but in steel. I believe these are just replacement ones because his are damaged or missing? Bob makes some specialized stuff for the Espada as well. He reproduced a set of the vertical slats in aluminum for a car and they easily removed for cleaning! vintage lambo, Vintage Lambo Lambo Upgrades
hi togehter, by the way, you guys have a real cool thread here! the preowner of my car did a restauration in the late 80s, and for some unknown reason, he sold the original mouldings, and replaced it with some cheap rubber-chrome mouldings. at the lambo factory those original moldings are almost out of stock. just the front side mouldings are still available. so bob huber is my hope for make the car complete again...
