F12 Facelift??

I agree on this .. I love the GTO I would like to replace my california with a more daily driver so the hesitation on the GTO ... I have Scud which is a great car but a little tough for daily driving .. I plan to keep the scud .. . I will get one or the other F12 or GTO

 

How about a GTB that you can drive daily and then when the F12 is available you can switch out to that?

 

But F12 won't be more dd than California. I think any car can be used as dd, depends on what is your dd. If just for going to office, light shopping, clubbing, etc, any F will do. I use 458 spider as dd except when going out with my wife and baby, because my work is at home. You shouldn't wait too long to get a car, especially if you are not the first Ferrari customer. Ferrari's president himself said that the maximum customer should wait is less than 1 year, except for limited version (maybe wait forever for this). F12 is just a regular version that anybody can get.

 

According to this article, we can expect the replacement/facelift of the F12 in 2017. I guess that means we will see it end of 2016...

LaFerrari Spider among Maranello's future product plans - Autoblog

 

If you get F12 you will get the "itch" again fairly soon and you will think about replacing it with something even newer and even faster.
If you get the GTO you will get stuck with it because that car is a keeper and you will never (most likely) want to replace it.

 

We should also see in 2016 an improved F12, which does not really need a fresh make-up or more power but is set to get both. Its V-12 also remains turbo-free, and there is no hybrid version forecast. However, electrification is an integral part of the all-new Ferrari architectures due to come on-stream for front-engine cars in 2017 and mid-engine cars in 2019.

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mid-engine cars in 2019?a new model? (no laferrari successor,Non-limited edition models)

The Ferrari Files: Evolution With a Twist

 

I have had the privlege of owning both, the F12 has long been relegated to the secondary market, the GTO still sits in the garage and puts a huge smile on my face every time I drive it. It's not even a close call.......perhaps consider replacing the Scud with the GTO, that's what I did and have never regretted that for a second. Hope this helps......good luck!

 

I read the above referenced article with interest since I was also waiting to order (and did order earlier in the week) an F12 for late Oct / early Nov delivery. The article seems pretty speculative to me, especially when referencing the desire by Ferrari to increase the power in the F12. I don't think the F12 has too many shortcomings, and additional horsepower would be at the bottom and not the top of such a list- if it does exist.

I spoke with the dealer about this who felt that their inside info hinted toward a longer production cycle rather than a shorter one. Unless the "facelifts" are really really minor, I don't believe it would be financially feasible for them….IMHO

 

I got a call from the dealer today and have been able to get an F12 allocation so for now I am getting the F12 ....
now replacing the scud with a GTO might be another idea.. but for now I am going to get the F12...
LarryH

 

Don't forget the carpet delete

 

I traded my 458 spider for a silver F12 and absolutely love the car. This car was offered as I waited for the Speciale which is here this weekend. Now that I have fallen in love with the F12 I have another first world dilemma...

I think my desire would be to keep teh F12 but like many on the board I believe values will fall.

 

I have done the same. My F12 was just finished at the factory. If you love the F12 keep it. If you thought these cars would appreciate they will not. The Speciale will depreciate as well. Ask the people who bought the 430M (may not have the name correct) they are down about $100k in value.

Go with your gut and what you love.

 

You couldn't be more wrong ...

 

Regarding the F12 there is no doubt values will drop but in the mean time it is a fantastic car

 

Indeed. The F12 is a fantastic car Larry. Congrats with the choice. It just misses all the extra drama and the "hard core feeling" the GTO gives you. But in the end it is your choice and we all respect it.

PS: The F12 when driven hard will give you plenty of drama as well but you will get used to it quicker compared to the GTO.

Looking forward to seeing pics of it when it arrives.

Cheers,

M

 

FWIW I don't think you should buy a car -- at least one that you intend to drive -- based on how much it may or may not depreciate. A car, even a Ferrari, is an item of consumption, not an investment. If you have to worry about depreciation, then I wonder if you can really enjoy ownership of the vehicle?

Seems to me that major league car appreciation is based on two things: 1, lightning striking. In the 1960s, you bought one of 30 250s, or you were Robert Motherwell's landlord and he paid you with a canvas. And you can't control that.

2, inflation. If you own a vehicle in a period of modest inflation -- which we should all want to do! -- then unless lightning has struck, you can't expect the car to appreciate in value. If you own it in a period of great inflation (which I fear is coming), you may well experience price appreciation as the price of the equivalent new vehicle spirals up. But in the meantime the value of your cash savings has gone down. I wonder how often people look at the whole picture when they read stories of impressive vehicle value appreciation.

 

I have an F12 and I love it. My take is that I will own this car long after the new model comes out, just like I still own the 575M from 2 models ago. So I am focusing on putting as many miles on it as possible. I wouldn't be too bothered by whatever facelift/new model that is inevitably on the way. I think the 599 GTO seems like a fantastic car and I think I have read enough on this forum to want to test drive one. From what I gather that's a keeper too.

I think over the long term the 599 GTO will hold its value better than an "ordinary" F12, because it is a limited production model (800/599 ha ha) and it's association, even if tenuous, with the GTO name. Bottom line if you have a long term view I don't think you can make a mistake. It's what I like to call a high quality problem.

 

if California after facelift have turbo maybe F12 facelift will add hybrid system?

 

Thank you very nice post.
LarryH