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F12 vs 812 - Differences in daily use?

Discussion in 'FF/GTC4Lusso/F12/812S' started by AhsanU, May 22, 2020 at 10:38 AM.

  1. AhsanU

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    Hello everyone! I currently am the owner of a Porsche 991 GT3. I purchased it a few years ago thinking that I'd be on the track often, but this wasn't the case. My father also recently passed away from Covid-19, and being in my GT3 just reminds me of the times I had with him in it; watching him struggle to get in and out because of his bigger belly, or just seeing him smirk whenever I'd give it some gas. It's difficult being in the GT3, so I've decided to let it go and hop into something else. It only makes sense - I daily drive it, hardly track it, and would love a better sounding car that's also more comfortable.

    There is no other car that fits that bill other than the F12 and the 812.

    Thus bringing me to the question - how different is the F12 vs the 812 in terms of daily use? Does your phone's bluetooth connect quicker on the 812 vs. the F12? How's the ride on crappy roads (I live around NYC)? How does music sound in each car? Is there anything worth mentioning about the 812 over the F12? Are there any tiny details you found that bothered you about each car's daily driving habits? I'm looking for any details!

    I'm a bit torn between the 812 and the F12. Seeing both of them side by side at Ferrari of Greenwich, I like the 812. The rear of the F12 leaves a bit to be desired, whereas the front end of the F12 is absolutely gorgeous vs. the rather dull 812. In pictures, I quite like the F12 over the 812, it's so weird. A deciding factor would be their mannerisms. I don't mind investing another $100k or so into an 812 if the daily driving abilities it has are a step above the F12. If it's not very significant, I'd happily keep the difference and invest it elsewhere.. or mods. I have a modification problem (GT3 currently has about 25k invest into it yikes)

    I plan on keeping whatever Ferrari I purchase, so I'm definitely taking my time making a decision. Would love everyone's feedback on this.

    Cheers!
     
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  2. Tireman

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    F12 is brilliant ..
     
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  3. Maloja

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    Love the F12 but an absolut no brainer - 812 all day when you have owned both.
     
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  4. Gianfranco341

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    I had a F12 up to last November and I have a 812 since few days . 812 is a F12 improved . My sensation after few days is the bigger improvement comes out fro gearbox . Auto on F12 has to be used when you are on queue or when you drive slowly otherwise when you push it is funny . Gearbox on 812 is much better in manual but mainly in auto . Very nice on downshift . They are two very , very nice cars
     
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  5. Solid State

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    You've mentioned this before. No one here has ever said an F12 needs to be run in Auto or any other Ferrari to my knowledge. How long did you own an F12?
     
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  6. italiafan

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    First off...VERY sorry to hear about your father. Terrible, just terrible.

    With regards to F12 vs. 812 I’d say the main difference is your wallet. F12 will be cheaper to purchase but may have higher running costs out of warranty (and free annual maintenance depending upon year). I have owned and driven both for many miles and the difference between the two is very personal preference stuff. 812 more planted, solid, confidence-inspiring and shockingly fast. F12 more playful and “bite you” attitude.
    Electronics, HVAC, and luxuries work well in both.
     
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  7. ScottS

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    These cars have auto? Where is it on my F12?


    Sorry about your father. Real reminder of the impact of this disease.

    Either one is great. Don’t drive the 812 unless you’re prepared to buy. That said, every time I drive my F12 I ask how can anything be better than this?
     
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  8. Solid State

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    Very sad about your dad and having to let go the car you shared. Please test ride both cars in question since your dealer has both available for sale. Better to do that first and seek comments later so you don't go in with any bias. It will come down to individual spec and condition since you plan on keeping it and don't care about perceived 'loss' due to DD especially on a newer model.
     
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  9. rolvail

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    I love the looks of the F12 and have two, one the tdf. It’s hard to quantify the difference so you’ll have to drive both. Most non owners can’t tell the difference on which is newer.
     
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  10. Gianfranco341

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    I owned a F12 for 2 years and I ran it for 20000 km . I just mentioned auto differences just because this post is asking for differences between F12 and 812 . I drove F12 for 2 years and 812 for few days . Immediate feeling is everything is better ,like steering , chassis , brakes , comfort and electronic assistances ( I don’t know about engine yet because I didn’t properly pushed it yet) but greatest difference is the gearbox and its electronics . Faster in manual but not easy to feel , big big difference in auto . You don’t have to think on 812 if you are in auto and suddenly you have the possibility to push you don’t have to switch to manual as on F12 because the gearbox/electronic are performing as you expect not wierd like on F12 . I’ve been in love with F12 . It was first car I owned giving me this feeling . I still think F12 design is better and clean compared to 812 also because it was last Ferrari by pininfarina . I consider 812 design not clean but still nice and it is natural evolution of the previous model
     
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  11. Gianfranco341

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    Auto button is just below Rear button and between Rear and Launch buttons . I use auto when I’m in town or when I can’t push . When you push Auto button you switch from one mode to the other . I did the same when I drove my F12 , I just couldn’t realize how it could be improved . Ferrari did
     
  12. GameMaker

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    I've owned both and I prefer the 812. However, if money is an object the F12 is a crazy bargain right now.

    Having carplay is great. The JBL system sounds great. The car is not as floaty as the F12.

    Either one is a great choice but the 812 is the better car.
     
  13. AhsanU

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    I'm doing some research now and am looking to buy in a month or two around summertime, unless the perfect spec comes up. Having lost a father to the virus, it's scary to even think about going out, so I'm not looking to really even test drive them right now. I know I'll love both though! The only issue is with short test drives is that I definitely won't get the years of experience that some of you guys have behind the wheel, and thus won't discover the little niggles that each car has. I think I'll test them out in a few weeks though.

    Money isn't necessarily an object here. I'm the frugal type of guy but when it comes to spending, I'm always willing to spend more to get a quality product. I would hate to spend x amount of dollars on an F12, only to regret it a year or so down the line and wish I had picked up an 812. Hence why I ask about the daily driving aspects of the F12 vs. the 812.

    Car play isn't really a thing for me since I'm on Android and will never use an iPhone, but thank you! You're definitely right about the F12 though.. at 180-200k for a higher mileage one, it's a crazy bargain. All I'm trying to quantify is if the 812 is worth the extra 100-120k or so over the F12. Every journalist says that the 812 is better, but is it 120k better?
     
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  14. ScottS

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    That’s a you question.
     
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  15. Gh21631

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    I almost never use auto in my F12
     
  16. GameMaker

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    In my case my F12 was $150k cheaper than my 812. But on the flip side I got to order exactly what I wanted. Ordering a new Ferrari to your spec is an awesome experience. If you are just shopping used then to me it starts to come down to the difference between the specs of the individual cars I'm looking at.

    As for driving in auto, just don't. I always manually shift.
     
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  17. RamsHmb

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    Had both and 812 better in pretty much every way. Styling is personal and I love both. The only thing I noticed on my 812 that I felt was a move in the wrong direction....turning radius. It’s HUGE. Outside of that...brilliant.
     
  18. Gh21631

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    Surprised to hear with the rear wheel steering
     
  19. rossodino

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    I am surprised as well, on my 991 GT3 it did the exact opposite, the turning radius was shorten by a great degree.
     
  20. JackCongo

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    If I remember well, rear steering developed by Ferrari only operates at high speed to stabilise the car with rear wheels turning in the same direction than front wheels. My understanding is that unlike porsches for example, they don’t operate at low speed turning opposite direction than front wheels to improve manoeuvring.
    Perhaps someone can confirm this?
     
  21. rossodino

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    Well that would certainly makes sense.
     
  22. Pis7a2020

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    Both are amazing cars. F12 is a bit more raw and less refined than the 812, which doesn’t necessarily make it better or worse. Just a different feeling.

    Can’t go wrong with either.

    I’ve had 2 F12s and now an 812.




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  23. ewright

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    Lots of great insights shared above, but the best advice I could give you would be to go for a spin in both. Nothing beats firsthand experience.
     
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