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  1. kverges

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    16 x 400 cc/min should comfortably support 750 hp. I do look forward to seeing a dyno sheet if you are good enough to post it.
     
  2. PSk

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    Most people realise that dyno numbers are only useful for before and afters, and even then sometimes that can be problematic if not the same day (weather, etc.).

    So dyno numbers should IMO be considered approximate. Dyno's are still wonderful tuning tools but that is what they are best at, ie. starting with x and tuning until you get cx
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  3. Traveller

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    Fair comment and so it will prove here when we return with greater fuel flow, more revs and more boost.
     
  4. PureEuroM3

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    This thread makes me very happy, Keep up the amazing work.
     
  5. ApeGen

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    If you can get Chris Harris to shoot a clip in it, that would be fantastic.
     
  6. ProvaF1

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    This.
     
  7. Traveller

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    There are plans and dreams.....................
     
  8. Traveller

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    #2483 Traveller, Jun 19, 2014
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    Forgive me all those who understand this process, but by way of explanation, this is a four piece mould with generous flanges which add strength and help combat warping, also some will be used to mount the vacuum piping. The green surface finish is " Tooling" Gelcoat and is used in conjunction with " Tooling" resin and whilst more expensive it has a low shrinkage rate which will help us remove the painted front hopefully without damage and it is tough and able to withstand high baking temperatures.

    James is applying a Silicon sealer between the mating surfaces of the jig so as to seal against air leaks when we pull the vacuum. Mr Brown is bolting everything together using 8 mm nuts and bolts, the dimples were moulded in to the flanges to aid register / alignment.

    Next up the first lay up.
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  9. Traveller

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    #2484 Traveller, Jun 19, 2014
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    James, having waxed the mould and applied spray release agent is now spray gluing/laying down the first layer of material which in this case is a 200 gram woven fibre glass. This will be our exterior painting surface and will give us some tolerance should we need to lightly sand out any imperfections and when impregnated along with the carbon, be completely invisible; next layer will be 200 gram Carbon Fibre.
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  10. rossocorsa13

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    Don't think Tim would have to ask Chris to do that.

    If Chris gets a look at this thread, I bet he'll tweet Tim before the build is over. Chris loves the F40.
     
  11. Traveller

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    #2486 Traveller, Jun 20, 2014
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    Next phase uses this interesting honeycombe material which is used as the filling in a carbon sandwhich. The honeycombe media is closed cell and doesn’t absorb resin, remaining light weight; it’s interesting property is that each hexagonal cell is held together by small tags which leaves a tiny vertical alleyway between each cell which is then saturated with resin thus bonding the upper and lower Carbon Fibre laminates together providing an incredibly light and stiff piece.
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  12. PAUL500

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    I am a novice mould maker and these photos give me a fantastic insight into how the professionals tackle such complex end products, thanks so much for sharing them Tim.
     
  13. FerrariDublin

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    I love watching/reading about this process. Really wonderful.
     
  14. Traveller

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  15. English Rebel

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    Does that carbon fiber need to go in a vacuum bag and/or an autoclave to cure?
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  16. Traveller

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    Yup. It will all be vacuum bagged and put in the oven.
     
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  18. English Rebel

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    Mark 5 for 30 minutes I assume. :)
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  19. Traveller

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  20. I<3strippers

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    Loving this!

    Carolina dyno is correct about shops artificially inflating the dyno number. Hell, I've heard of tuners taking a hair dryer to the back of the dyno stack to raise the temp so correction factor goes up resulting in a "higher" dyno reading.

    Like Ben said, WOT tuning is the easiest.

    Do you know if the tuner is pulling any plugs to look at the timing strap?
     
  21. Citystar

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    Tim,

    Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding this, but it seems that MT is going to use a non-prepreg carbon fiber for a wet lay construction similar to how your splitter was made. I was always lead to believe that PrePreg was a superior carbon than a wet lay carbon piece. Having read through the entire thread and being familiar with the build quality from everything coming out of MT, what are the advantages of using the wet lay process for this project versus using prepreg?

    Thank you very much

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  22. Carolina Dyno

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    Just a guess but I would imagine it's prohibitively expensive to own an autoclave even for someone that does this high end work. Vacuum bagging resin infused carbon will ensure a perfect surface finish even in a standard oven which in this case seem more important than saving a pound or two especially when you consider a dry carbon lay up would cost almost twice as much.

    That said I'm not a body guy at all so I could be way off base.
     
  23. Traveller

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    I think you are correct. This is a non structural part and if maybe it is not quite as strong or a lb or so heavier, we can live with it. Believe me it is expensive enough as it is.
     
  24. PAUL500

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    #2499 PAUL500, Jun 21, 2014
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    Tim, could you please ask them which spray glue they use/recommend to lay the initial thin fibreglass layer over the green/blue sprayed on release film. that process seems far better than trying to lay on a wetted with resin first layer. Thats the part I struggle with on complex shapes, an initial skin already in place would make it much easier but I dont want any glue to penetrate or dissolve the release layer.

    Oh and the technical name of the white foam material please.

    Appreciate your help :) I assume its that 3m product in the spray can.
     
  25. mechaniker

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    Paul,

    as spray You can use Airtech Airtac 2 (good stuff, expensive), Aerofix 2 (not as good) or (I think) Scotch Weld 770 (but can´t confirm, maybe another number).

    The Core Material is 3D Core. 3D|Core GmbH & Co. KG

    Good Stuff. Build some seriously light Longboards with that stuff.
     

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