News

F430 brakes question

Discussion in '360/430' started by saudio, May 30, 2020.

  1. saudio

    saudio Karting
    Rossa Subscribed

    Jul 22, 2014
    169
    Western Virginia
    Full Name:
    Mike
    I have a 2008 F430 with Carbon Ceramic brakes. My brakes are extremely grabby when used below 60MPH and actually difficult to brake without jerking.

    First, is that normal for CC brakes? If not, is it something that can be remedied?

    Second, I assume I could replace the CC brakes with steel since I don't track the car, and keep the CC brakes for the next owner. If I did that, how much roughly should I expect to pay to replace the brakes on both axles?

    Thanks much.

    PS Prime driving weather here in Virginia. Hope everyone is enjoying it.
     
  2. To remove this ad click here.

  3. Extreme1

    Extreme1 Formula Junior

    Jun 27, 2017
    397
    Santa Clarita, CA
    On my 2009 with CCM’s, the brakes are kinda grabby. It’s difficult to make a smooth stop. My brakes were just taken apart so the calipers could be repainted. The guy that tore them apart said everything looked good.
    I’m thinking it’s just the way the CCM’s are. I haven’t stood on the brakes for an emergency stop yet, but I probably need to, to see how well they work.

    I’m leaving mine on the car, I like looking at them and appreciate their performance.


    Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat.com mobile app
     
    saudio likes this.
  4. mike32

    mike32 F1 Rookie

    May 13, 2016
    3,188
    Uk
    My 2008 has 12000 miles and ccm are fine with no jerking- the caliper pistons are known to corrode so might be catching the seals. Have a look on Superperformance or Hill engineering site for after market stainless caliper pistons and seal kits..
     
    saudio likes this.
  5. saudio

    saudio Karting
    Rossa Subscribed

    Jul 22, 2014
    169
    Western Virginia
    Full Name:
    Mike
    Well they do stop like glue when you are going illegal fast, I can attest to that. But for drivability they leave much to be desired. I don't like having to make a conscious effort to stop smoothly.
     
  6. saudio

    saudio Karting
    Rossa Subscribed

    Jul 22, 2014
    169
    Western Virginia
    Full Name:
    Mike
    I will do that, thanks for the response. I guess you have to disassemble the calipers to diagnose that problem?
     
  7. To remove this ad click here.

  8. mike32

    mike32 F1 Rookie

    May 13, 2016
    3,188
    Uk
    Look at getting a set of front seals first and if the caliper pistons are showing signs of damage you can get them in a few days from Hill Engineering
     
  9. ttforcefed

    ttforcefed F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Aug 22, 2002
    15,353
    my ceramics are smooth to me.
     
  10. mike32

    mike32 F1 Rookie

    May 13, 2016
    3,188
    Uk
    Just an idea- the car has anti lock brakes. Are you sure the system is working properly, in case it is not the actual calipers but more like the control side
     
  11. saudio

    saudio Karting
    Rossa Subscribed

    Jul 22, 2014
    169
    Western Virginia
    Full Name:
    Mike
    Thanks for the input. I'm going to be exploring my options.
     
  12. To remove this ad click here.

  13. houtie123

    houtie123 Formula Junior

    Dec 9, 2007
    512
    Cape Town, RSA
    Full Name:
    Andrew
    FWIW my 2008 has 12000 miles and I needed caliper pistons last month. Corrosion was patchy across the Pistons but as they were stripped and seals were being done it made sense to get it down. Super smooth stopping since
     
  14. mwstewart

    mwstewart Formula 3

    Feb 5, 2014
    1,811
    England
    Full Name:
    Mark
    My F430 and Scuderia ceramics have been fine. The only issue that I had was a bit of pad squeal, which was cured by getting some high temperature into the system.
     
  15. shifter

    shifter Formula Junior
    Silver Subscribed

    Apr 8, 2004
    468
    Danville, Ca
    Full Name:
    Joe
    My ceramics are smooth as well, what you are describing isn’t normal.


    Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
     
  16. ttforcefed

    ttforcefed F1 World Champ
    Rossa Subscribed

    Aug 22, 2002
    15,353
    Or his touch is that much more sensitive than ours?
     
  17. saudio

    saudio Karting
    Rossa Subscribed

    Jul 22, 2014
    169
    Western Virginia
    Full Name:
    Mike
    I want to be clear, the car stops smoothly, but the amount of pressure on the brake pedal needed to stop is much less on the CC brakes than any car I have owned. I have to be very careful how hard I hit the pedal or I'll stop very suddenly.
     
  18. shifter

    shifter Formula Junior
    Silver Subscribed

    Apr 8, 2004
    468
    Danville, Ca
    Full Name:
    Joe
    I don’t have this sense with mine. It’s quite linear to me (when they are warmed up). When my ceramics are cold I think they are a little less grabby than cold steel.


    Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
     
  19. saudio

    saudio Karting
    Rossa Subscribed

    Jul 22, 2014
    169
    Western Virginia
    Full Name:
    Mike
    I will be addressing this with my mechanic next time I visit. Thanks very much for all the input. I hope it's not a bear to remedy.
     
  20. Extreme1

    Extreme1 Formula Junior

    Jun 27, 2017
    397
    Santa Clarita, CA
    I need to clarify also. I drive four different cars during the week. A dually truck, my POS commuter with 207,000 miles, a Jeep, and a Nissan SUV. On the weekend when I first start driving the Ferrari, I almost put myself through the windshield until I get used to the brakes.


    Sent from my iPad using FerrariChat.com mobile app
     
    saudio likes this.

Share This Page