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F430 E-differential, figures re: F430 & Stradale

Discussion in '360/430' started by mnm, Sep 2, 2004.

  1. mnm

    mnm Formula Junior

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    Went for a presentation of sorts for the F430, they gave some slides saying that the F430 has two patented technologies that were transferred from the F1 car.

    One was what they called the e-diff, which apparently bestows upon the RWD the same abilities as an AWD, without the added weight.
    This is why the F430 is purportedly able to rocket from 0-100km/hr in 4 seconds.

    The other was.. uh.. sorry, I forgot.

    Incidentally, they showed the track time (as tested by Ferrari) for the F430 and the Stradale.
    Stradale owners will be pleased to know that the track time for the Stradale remained better! (but not by much)
     
  2. LouB

    LouB Formula 3

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    Anyone know specifically what an E-diff is, does and how it works
     
  3. ATBNM3

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    What was the Stradale time vs. the F430?
     
  4. amenasce

    amenasce Two Time F1 World Champ
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    huh ? Stradale faster ?? man thats a BIG disappointment !
     
  5. ChalStrad

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    No it isn't, power is not everything weight is REALLY important on a racetrack too and the F430 is a bit of a porker....plus the Stradale has an extremely rigid chassis with a track-biased set up
     
  6. amenasce

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    Thats why its a disappointment. The 430 is too heavy !
     
  7. F2003-GA

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    What about a street race who do you think will come out on top F430 or CS?
     
  8. watt

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    same F test driver at fiorano, CS is .75 sec/lap faster than 430


    i wonder if a 430 CS is even possible, can they lose 400 pounds and get it down to the weight of the current CS? that would be titz with more HP and T
     
  9. damcgee

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    I don't think there is anything wrong with the 430 being a bit heavy, so long as they bring out a CS version SOON.
     
  10. SSNISTR

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    Straight line wise the F430 would EASILY beat a CS. Even the fact that on a track the F430 is so close to the CS is amazing considering the CS is a stripped out, bare bones race car for the road. While the F430 is a heavier fully loaded car. In the hands of the average driver with all its tech a F430 would be quicker then a CS on a road course as well IMO. I like the fact that on a track the F430 is almost as quick as a CS, quicker in a striaght line, and fully optioned out. Quite amazing if you ask me.
     
  11. udalmia

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    not really amazing, just progression, i might still keep my cs, have to drive a 430 first
     
  12. iceburns288

    iceburns288 Formula 3

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    I think you guys calling the F430 'chubby' is telling Paris Hilton to lay off the Hersheys... it' still dern light compared to most other cars out there and rembember Ferrari shaved 220kg off the 360 (whats that, 485 pounds?!) so I think it's definitely possible for the 430. Woot doorbell... :D
     
  13. F2003-GA

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    That straight line performance really comes in handy when encountering cars
    such as the next gen Z06.Everybodies claim to fame is that their car is faster than your car at a third of the price and it all plays out at traffic lights.
     

  14. Im with you on that the 360CS is a totally stripped down car while the F430 is a fully optioned car.

    How much heavier is the Engine on the 430 compared to the 360. ?
     
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  16. amenasce

    amenasce Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Well..Thats what i expect from Ferrari. That their newest model is at least as fast as their current one.
     
  17. mnm

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    The second thing that they transferred from F1 to the 430 is the thing you see on the steering wheel - with the 5 options that allow you to toggle between various modes, such as race mode, etc. There's an italian word for it - I just can't remember what it is :p

    Apparently this exact same set up is found on the F1 steering wheel.

    Both this and the e-diff are patented by Ferrari and used for the first time in the F430.
     
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    I think everyone is mistaken. The CS's tires being far stickier should be a main reason for the CS being quicker on the track. Put on the street Corsas and I bet the 430 wins.
     
  19. SSNISTR

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    EVERY test besides that one that I have read puts the Gallardo on the bottom of any list. It's powerful, yes, but its AWD kills it to 99% of good drivers. AWD doesn't have the feel and balance of RWD no matter what you do to it. Gallardos are not good track cars, no feel and to heavy compared to the competiors. According to a few mags I checked, even a older 360 Modena beats the Gallardo in the slalom and on the skidpad................
     
  20. SSNISTR

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    HOLY COW, what a great point!!!!
     
  21. Cavallini

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    Doesn't Fiorano favor lighter, more agile cars? A track by track comparison will be necessary before any conclusions are drawn.

    Not that it means .02 cents to me, but I understand the disappointment. The 430 should be king of the hill with 490HP and only 340 lbs of Torque.

    Then again, the traction improvements could make a few seconds of difference on a track.


    Forza,


    Cavallini
     
  22. AHG

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    Excellent point. Tyres make a big difference.
     
  23. ATBNM3

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    According to Best Motoring number 8 Aug 2004 the CS easily beat the Gallardo. All drivers that participated are professional drivers from the JGTC series.
     
  24. xpresso

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    Does anyone know if the F430 has the following?

    1. Launch Control

    2. 19" rims

    hT
     
  25. AHG

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    1. I have heard that it does.
    2. Yes 19"
     

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