F8 Tributo VS

Even more reasons to get a new car now/ before 2022.

 

Yes it is!

Not to mention the new sound / noise regulations coming into effect with progressive reduction in allowed sound levels!

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That plus GPF that cannot be removed without voiding warranty due to reprogramming the ECU to delete GPF.

 

maybeF8 VS=F40 Icona?

 

hold on your 458 specs

 

Euro government wants to kill their auto industry? Every automaker has to scrap existing models for new ones within 2 years is crazy! Surely they would phase it in, giving time for all the redesign and tooling? Surely I must be missing something.


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Not missing anything, did you see the pain the majors went through last year with RDE regulations that were popped on them with less than 2 years warning?

https://europe.autonews.com/article/20180809/ANE/180809791/automakers-pull-models-halt-output-as-wltp-deadline-roils-european-market

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/audi-sq5-sales-suspended-amid-wltp-changes

https://www.teslarati.com/porsche-stops-eu-sales-emissions-wltp-compliance/

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/jaguar-axes-range-topping-xe-s-and-xf-s-models

now they are preparing for 2022:

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/07/30/bmw-cancel-models-report/

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/07/29/bmw-urban-x-small-crossover-rumor/

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1118857_vw-plans-27-electric-cars-by-2022-on-new-platform

https://www.just-auto.com/analysis/analysis-porsche-future-models_id186630.aspx

https://www.autonews.com/article/20181001/OEM04/181009990/nearly-100-electrified-models-slated-to-arrive-through-2022

it certainly is not pretty:

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/288592-eu-wants-speed-governors-data-recorders-in-cars-for-2022

 

According to my dealer who is very loath to offer prognostications, is that the last pure V8 ICE Ferrari will be the F8 Speciale which will be scheduled for delivery subsequent to the F8 spider.

 

Sure.. that's the reason that explain why a 720s was seen around maranello factory during the 488 pista tests -_-'

 

And whats your point? That a manufacturer tests competitor cars? what a revelation.

 

what a brilliant answer!

...point is, that if you don't care what other companies do, you don't test a car from a competitor company during the development of your relative product, genius
-_-'

 

In addition to mclaren im sure they have tested 2rs and Aston and lambo in the test track. They care about their competitors but they did not see the 720 as a direct threat to their cars. If they did the f8 would have been a from the ground up redesign.

 

There is no time for a completely new design. The F8 and spider, are updates of the 488, substantial as they may be, as a fill in the gap until the hybridization is available. The Pista and the F8 are more than sufficient to make the 720S forgettable.

 

Honestly, after having both I really appreciate the 720 especially my spider. From a day to day usability perspective and the balls out performance the 720 is hard to beat. If you want something a bit more raw and "special" the Pista is the winner. Different cars for different purposes. The F8 is a beautiful car and I would imagine would make for a fine day to day driver as well.

 

Yeah- I wouldn’t call the 720 unforgettable by any stretch of the imagination.

 

Gh21631- When will we see your review of the Pista? Really looking forward to it.Especially in comparison to the 720S.

 

Great post.

 

I will post up my experience but I need more miles on my Pista, I still haven't pushed too hard as it is not close to break in. If it was a beauty contest I would give it to the Pista, it is just beautiful from any angle.

 

Without testing the limits of the Pista's undeniable capabilities, what are your impressions of its driving dynamics on city and country roads. My main concern , which applies to the F8 as well, is how engaging and compelling is the driving experience in an every day use compared to the 720S. No worries about comfort and refinement. I lust for thrills and excitement.

 

This is my very first impression, I am still trying to wrap my head around it. Ferrari has delivered us a hypercar in a mid engine body.

The Pista makes the 458 feel like a sports car- the 458 feels more buzzy, more twitchy, it has less body control than the Pista. Its very much the way the 458 made the 430 feel. I thought the 430 all of a sudden was now more of a sports car, you have to work harder to get at the lower limits. Now the Pista has done this to the 458. Which goes to prove, it really is all relative. If your frame of reference is the 430, then the 458 is a supercar, and the 430 is a sportscar. I hope this makes sense.

The steering is very very precise and the weighting is perfect. It is neither too heavy nor too light, it is extremely confidence inspiring.

Handling and ride quality are outstanding. The car feels firm, on its toes, but never twitchy. A great word would be “planted”. This car feels like it could never put a foot wrong. I think it is likely to be very flattering to a wide variety of drivers from beginner through advanced.

The modes have real differences between them. More so than with the 458. I really like the firmness of Race mode, but my goodness, the gear shifts are violent. If you are using Race mode, you better be driving with verve, drive more gently, and the brutal shifts are out of place. Sport mode is more suited to regular driving, and the ride firmness is probably appropriate too. I was simply trying out my new toy on a limited drive.

The power is out of this world. I did not really pin it, nor rev it past 5k- and I tried to keep it to 4k- but the speed at which the tach needle swings around must be witnessed to be believed. This is probably the fastest revving car I've ever driven! This is a very very very fast car! It feels like much more than 100hp over my 458. I would say it feels more like double! That must be the greater torque.

The brake feel fantastic. Very firm, powerful. and very natural.

The car feels like it has grip forever. When I gave it a bit of poke, I was expecting some tire spin, some slip. These are new tires! But I was only propelled forward- quite forcefully!
And there is absolutely zero lag at all. It’s a different experience from pure NA due to the way the engine builds revs. It is truly impressive and a staggering achievement in my opinion.
The sound is the one (mild) disappointment. I think they have done the best they can do with the sound, but it is still a turbo V8 and it simply does not leave your ears singed with the various tones of NA flat plane V8. It is very much improved over the 488 GTB though. It no longer is a drone nor is it strictly monotone noise, but it is closer than I would like.

Reflecting on the first drive, I think Ferrari has delivered us a car with tremendous depth. And thus, it is very difficult to draw conclusions. This car has a much wider spread of abilities. Which is the nature of progress. I also think they have actually moved this car from “supercar” to “hypercar”. In doing so, I think they have given up some of the fizzy nature of the high revving NA V8, but given us something else entirely. You all will now say I am crazy but, the Pista, at least on first acquaintce strikes me as a bit "son of F40"! Its the way the car has overwhelming power- and I haven't even tried the 2nd half of the rev range! Enzo Ferrari said he was interested in “instant speed” (in a video of him discussing the F40)- if he drove the Pista, he would know it. I think some people are going to say its too refined, the noise isn’t what we are used to. But I think they are doing themselves a disservice because they are not taking a look at what Ferrari has actually delivered us: a "bargain" hypercar. And I think this could be the last simple formula (relatively light, RWD, ICE only) mid engine V8 from Ferrari. I am very happy actually, because it is not simply a 458 Plus. The Pista is really very different- yet the same that its a mid engine V8 that is very special to pilot. So the same and yet also a different experience. How'd they do that?! It is startlingly good. They’ve done it again!

(ever since my first drive, I can't stop thinking about driving it again- that has to be a good thing!)

 

I hope to hear more from you after a month of driving. You did not address the overall driving dynamics and the excitement factor and emotion engendered by the car. Does the steering and suspension offer direct feedback thereby creating a unity between driver and car instead of insulating and isolating you from the road surface. Does your heart pound and the adrenaline flow when commandeering the Pista? It is expected to be faster, more capable, and accomplished than the 458 but does the Pista, due to its objective excellence, instill a heightened level of visceral thrill and put a broader smile on your face as you drive it. Does it substantively enhance your enjoyment of the driving experience? This enquiring mind would like to know.

 

Nice, descriptive write up. Please follow up after you've 'pinned' it.
'Hyper' car? 10 years ago, ok, but not today. It's not a LaF, P1, 918 or Egg. 'Son of F40'? yeah, but much too 'refined'. All semantics. Enjoy your awesome car. Definitely a keeper.

 

Wait, is this the thread you want? "F8 Tributo VS" for your Pista review?

 

my friends who have both tell me the Pista is 99.999% as fast as the LF. It is really really really close- so yes, it is a hypercar. Sorry for the wrong thread, just sharing some thoughts- not really a review.

 

Will do.
Unity of car and driver: check
Direct feedback: check
Heart pounding excitement: check- definitely- the car wants to go and play. By contrast the GTB always struck me as a bit "sleepy"- its probably the wrong word but that's what comes to mind. However, if you equate heart pounding with "the engine is vibrating the car at idle" then the Pista is just too refined for your tastes. I get a broad smile from driving my 458 and I had an even broader smile with the Pista, because it was like a door to a new world was opened. Yet, I am still happy to pilot my 458 also. Hope that helps- I think I just became more confused! ha! (basically I love both- they are 2 very different cars)

 

Is there anything about the 458 that you prefer over the Pista?