Ferrari 118LM vs 121LM

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  1. demicami

    demicami Karting

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    I know the biggest difference was the engine (3.7 vs 4.4).

    At anytime during the racing careers of these 2, did the body type change at all? Something that wasnt obvious?

    Sorry if these are dumb questions, I dont know too much about these 2.

    Thank you
     
  2. NEP

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    Basically the Scaglietti Spider bodies on all 7# cars are indistinguishable from each other.

    118 LM
    3# built - 0484LM, 0542LM, 0544LM
    3747cc I6
    Tipo 509 Chassis
    Length: 4255 mm
    Width: 1650 mm
    Height: 1080 mm
    Wheelbase: 2400 mm (2260 mm for Buenos Aires)
    Track Front: 1278 mm
    Track Rear: 1284 mm

    121 LM
    4# built - 0484LM (Ex 118 LM), 0532LM, 0546LM, 0558LM
    4412cc I6
    Technical specifications as above.
     
  3. demicami

    demicami Karting

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    Thanks for your help on this !
     
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    Your welcome
     
  5. miked

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    #5 miked, Jul 29, 2016
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    A friend use to own 121LM #0532. I use to gaze at it as it sat for many years in his garage. He owned it for about 10 years but only raced it for 1-2 before stuffing the nose at Road America.

    IICC, the 121 engine was a 750 Monza with 2 extra cylinders, the 118 was based on the F1 tipo 625 engine with 2 extra cylinders.

    121 LM s/n 0532LM

    121LM #0532 at Cavillino 2005 (finally ran across the car again 35 years after he sold it).
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  6. demicami

    demicami Karting

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    Wow thanks for sharing! The Castellotti/ Marzotto 55 LeMans car.

    Such a beautiful car.
     
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  8. kevfla

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    when George Shelley owned it!

    Was visiting him when he took delivery of the car from Orlando's restoration shop prior to showing it at the 1994 FCA National Meet in Monterey. Have photos, but would need to scan them.
     
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    #8 miked, Jul 30, 2016
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    Yep, that was the owner but he had just walked away from the car about 15 minutes before I got there according to the owner of the next car over. I sure wish that I would have been able to talk to him. My son (yellow shirt in the first photo of my first post) had always heard me talk about "Gunther's car" and was suitably impressed to see it in the flesh.

    Back in the late 1960's I knew the owner of the car, he lived nearby and we both drove Jaguar XK-140s as daily drivers. He had raced Jaguars in the 1950's in the SCCA and was a wealth of information on Jaguars (and how to maintain them). At the time #0532 was just an old racing car collecting dust in his garage. I can tell you that sitting in a LeMans pole sitting car is a thrill. It was (and still is) an awesome car.

    George moved here from Omaha and had purchased the car from Loyal Katskee, a fellow racer in Omaha. He had a "spare" engine which sat on the basement floor next to the washing machine and was covered by an old rug. I assume that it came from #0558 which was found engine less in NJ in the 1970's. When Jim Kimberley (of the Kimberley-Clark family) bought the car from Ferrari in late 1955 he had it re-bodied with a slightly longer nose, some vents and most noticeably fin on the headrest. It was in that configuration when I knew the car.

    When Gunther's employer transferred him to Chicago he sold the car rather than taking it with him. It went to England. In the mid 1970's I happen to see it for sale in a British car magazine (Ron Leach ad) and then in the late 1990's when I was looking for a Ferrari 308 to purchase I found it again on the Internet. When reviewing the cars racing history I found that it had been driven by a local "gentleman" Ferrari racer Ed Lunkin at Sebring in 1956. I happen to mention it to a friend who walked over to his phone and called Ed Lunkin's son (who he apparently knew) and asked for conformation. Indeed he remembered and was at Sebring with his father for the race. The car DNS due to mechanical failure and his father drove a different car in the race.

    Edit, This link shows Loyal Katskee driving the car as I knew it, nerf bars and all.
    https://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2009/12/24/pure-blooded-american-soil/
     
  10. demicami

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  11. sgunther8

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    Thanks for posting that, Mike.
    George was my dad. I was born there in Cincinnatti. 'Don't remember too much directly about the 121LM (sold when I was in diapers), but have researched it a bit. It is a beautiful car.

    We still have an XK140 at my brother's garage.

    Anyway, thanks for posting those.
     
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  12. furoni

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    I would love to have that one :)
     

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