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  1. fredzzz

    fredzzz Rookie

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    #1 fredzzz, Oct 21, 2017
    Dear community,

    I'm hoping to purchase my first (used) Ferrari soon and have an eye on a 2000 Ferrari 360 Spider with a 6-speed manual transmission, 62,000km / 38,750 miles. The asking price for this vehicle is more than fair in my opinion, at $71,000 (converted from another currency).

    The question, or worry, I have is the timing in which the services were done. They were not done each year, is this a problem? Here is the list:
    • May 2001 at 12,700km / 7,950 miles = First Service Entry
    • April 2004 at 20,200km / 12,630 miles = Timing belt replaced (and most likely a service done)
    • September 2006 at 25,400km / 15,900 miles = Service Entry
    • March 2007 at 30,000km / 15,880 miles = Service Entry
    • March 2010 at 40,570km / 25,350 miles = Timing belt replaced (and most likely a service done)
    • December 2011 at 51,000km / 32,000 miles = Service Entry
    • April 2016 at 59,900km / 37,430 miles = Timing belt replaced (entered in the service manual), clutch replaced (not visible in service manual) - current dealer states that the last owner states that this service cost him around $10,000, but has no documentation for it, other than the "timing belt replacement" entry in the service manual from the Ferrari dealer (which is a trustworthy dealer)
    Take for example the service in 2011 with 51,000km; the next service only followed 4.5 years later at only 8,000km later. My worry is the intervals not being thorough. Is this a grounded cause for concern?

    Looking forward to your input!

    Regards
     
  2. greyboxer

    greyboxer F1 World Champ

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    #2 greyboxer, Oct 21, 2017
    Missing services is quite common in Europe - also you are basing it on the service book which may not have been stamped

    If recent documents are missing there may be a reason

    I'd try to contact either last owner and/or whoever did the 2016 service as they may have more information which may include interim services

    If the car passes a PPI and you intend to keep it a while then you can develop your own service history starting with April 2106
     
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  3. Kevin Rev'n

    Kevin Rev'n Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #3 Kevin Rev'n, Oct 21, 2017
    That is a good history for the majors and if it were one owner all those years it would be great to have a talk with him. I can't imagine that he skipped fluid changes for all the other years. Is there any record of those "minor" services anywhere? Did the guy do his own work? Do you have someone who can look at the car for you? Is the car priced low for the local market?
     
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  4. fredzzz

    fredzzz Rookie

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    #4 fredzzz, Oct 21, 2017
    It will be hard to find the old owner, as the car is now with a dealer and usually they're not too keen on giving out the old owner's info. However, the dealership that did the last timing belt change, and supposedly also the clutch change, is only a stone's throw away from where I am located, so I will make sure to pass by there or give them a ring.

    There aren't any "records" of the minor services, as in, there aren't any receipts or invoices. However, all the stamps in the service history book are from legitimate and official Ferrari dealers, also indicating that the last owner didn't do his own work.

    I have several people in the business who can look at the car for me. I'm hoping the current dealer will allow me to have the car for a few hours to do a proper PPI, giving me the opportunity to have the car fully inspected by an expert.

    I find the car to be priced quite low for the local market, and for Europe in general. Just over 60,000km (37,000 miles) and at around $71,000, for a 6-speed manual red Ferrari 360 Spider that comes with a decent service history. Similar manual 360s in my country, especially the Spider, are priced at $85,000 to $95,000 - the latter with lower mileage, however.

    The dealer has indicated that he's not willing to budge on the price, so I will really have to look hard and seek out some "flaws" that the car might have in order to have a little wiggle room at the negotiation table.
     
  5. ChrisW1

    ChrisW1 Formula 3

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    #5 ChrisW1, Oct 22, 2017
    This sounds like a good service history to me for a 360. It also sounds like a very good price.

    I hope that you are allowed to do the PPI and that it will come out fine.
     
  6. Mickster

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    #6 Mickster, Oct 22, 2017
    Overall service history looks pretty ok. Not perfect by any means, but ok.
    As you state - the time elapsed between the two latest service points is something to look into. At least fluids should have been done.
    IMO a lot of new buyers focus too hard on belt change intervals instead of the fluids. All of course important, but fluids a bit more important than other.

    Clutch wise; Try to get in contact with the owner who had the change done as it is important for resale value (not to mention it will hit your wallet if you will have to do it).
    It shouldn’t be too hard to get in contact with the owner who had it done. Here in Sweden it’s actually quite easy to find out who the ten latest owners of a vehicle was...
     
  7. Shinigami

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    #7 Shinigami, Oct 22, 2017
    Perhaps the minor ones simply were not noted. They should be done every 7500km or once a year if my memory fares me well. My dealer said it's not a big deal if one goes a little bit above the mileage or takes a little longer for the services to take place.

    Only part I'd be more cautious on, is that on https://aldousvoice.com/ it's mentioned that if the engine oil isn't changed frequently enough, it can get acidic and eat away at the titanium valves. I don't know how long that would take, maybe if the car was sitting for 5 years...
     
  8. RedNeck

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    #8 RedNeck, Oct 22, 2017
    A red gated for $71k is a great deal. Service history doesn't look bad at all. Get a PPI and buy that sucker if it checks out. The current state of the car is more important than it's history.
     
  9. billy.gif

    billy.gif Formula Junior

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    #9 billy.gif, Oct 22, 2017
    In your country, you can't get any info about previous owner(s) via the MOT / "registration agency" by providing the number plate digits? In my country (Europe also) you can get the whole history of any car, even your neighbors etc. simply via texting the number plate onto specific number. Via online you can pay a little more and get a comprehensive owner history with .pdf format. Kind of "carfax title" in USA.

    Then you have a decent chance to track down the previous owner(s) and give em a call. I've done this with every single vehicle I've owned and by doing this I've managed to skip at least two real "time bombs / crash repaired vehicles".
     
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  10. Silber

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    #10 Silber, Nov 3, 2017
    Hi Fred

    Just make sure you do get the car properly checked out first. If they don't allow you the time/opportunity to get it inspected, go find another car. (I write with experience, as even with the "you can trust me, I'm Swiss" nonsense you may be told, a car dealer is a car dealer and there aren't that many you can really trust... Avoid Hunziker in this regard (as they have one for sale as well.))

    Only other word of caution is that you may find the car hard to sell in Switzerland when the mileage gets higher. It seems like anything over 50,000km is considered on the high side (as daft as that really is), so as you approach 70k, 80k etc you might have to be very generous if wanting to sell. If is was imported from an EU country though, you could always advertise it in Germany and NL where they are more relaxed, and there won't be VAT on the buyer's import as already paid on original sale to the first owner). Sorry to think that far ahead, but it could be relevant even if it's a manual modern Ferrari that sounds simply mad with the roof down,... Let me know if you get it and I'll roll mine out and we can wake up some Swiss villages!

    Cheers
     
  11. fredzzz

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    #11 fredzzz, Nov 26, 2017
    Thanks for all the info guys - this helped me with my decision. I bought the car and here's its thread:

    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/my-first-ferrari-360-spider-6-speed-manual-transmission.564880/

    And Silber, sounds good!
     
  12. knocker

    knocker F1 World Champ

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    #12 knocker, Nov 29, 2017
    Go on the Aldous voice website there you'll find a "buying guide" section read read read:) good luck
     

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