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  1. fazzaz 512

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    #26 fazzaz 512, Jan 29, 2012
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    Hallo Jon, just picked up on this subject. To start with: I am a good friend of your grandfather. Judging by your address, you must be Jo(h)n's son. Ernie was not only very generous, but he was also always a bit afraid to drive the Indy car. This is why I ended up in the diver seat on many occasions. I don't remember when Ernie took the attached photo. The track was either Watkins Glen or Road America. Please say hello to your dad, uncle Erno and your two aunts. Please contact me privately. I have many more photos. Best regards, Manfred Lampe
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  2. tritone

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  3. Colombo

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    #28 Colombo, Jan 30, 2012
    I have a book from the 80s that shows the car in green with white lettering? Will get the title when I get home.
     
  4. cigarette

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    #29 cigarette, Jan 30, 2012
    Cavallino magazine did a nice article on the Indy / 375 F1 6 pages by Stanley Nowak and refers to the Indy car No 6, the grant piston ring special chassis N2 engine number 02, Scuderia Ferrari to Lindsey Bothwell to Carl Bross an on to Dick Merrit and Ernie Beutler, in 1988 solely owned by Beutler Michigan now Louwman collection Holland ?
    The article speaks about four or five cars being built specifically for the Indy 500 1952. Chinetti pre sold three of these 4,5 liter Howard Keck, the grand piston ring company and Johnny Mauro. An additional two cars were entered by SF. Engines, gearboxes, suspension and steering orignated from the 1951 375 F1 installed in a new strengthned chassis of longer wheelbase ( 2420 mm ), the fifth car did not arrive on time ! The SF car was driven by Ascari see picture in Piloti Che Cente
     
  5. kvisser

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  7. Marcel Massini

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    #32 Marcel Massini, Feb 2, 2012
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    Since many decades in the Van der Lof Family, The Netherlands.

    Marcel Massini
     
  8. bigodino

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    #33 bigodino, Feb 2, 2012
    Wow, rallying with a Grand Prix car! I imagine that was quite a sight (and sound). Amazing pic, thanks.
     
  9. tritone

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    #34 tritone, Feb 2, 2012
    Pikes Peak Hillclimb, actually....
     
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  12. Michael T. Lynch

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    #37 Michael T. Lynch, Jul 12, 2012
    Car Danny is sitting in is the Ascari car. Grant car was already painted cream. Ferrari had made a deal with Grant to provide Johnnie Parsons with Euro single seater rides later that year. As Ferrari was busy trying to qualify, they didn't have time to help any of the customers. The situation was so bad that they had to fly chief engineer Lampredi over with bigger carbs in his luggage.

    This inattention led to a rift between Grant and the Ferrari people and the deal was undone. The Grant logo on the red car was probably early in the process and after the pissing match, came off. BTW, the Indy regulars tried to talk the Ferrari people into using mag wheels, but they wouldn't do it. They must have forgotten how Shaw broke a wire wheel while leading in a Maserati in 1941. It's a shame because Ascari could probably have been in the first 5 based on his fuel consumption which would have allowed at least one less pit stop.

    Mauro was not serious about qualifying, but was there to show off his new toy to his buddies. He was a Pikes Peak specialist and was saving his car for that event.

    Howard Keck's crew had to choose between their new Kurtis roadster and the Ferrari. They chose the latter and would have won the race except for a failed steering box very near the end. Frank Coon, later of Travis & Coon, worked for Keck and went to Italy to pick up the Ferrari and learn how to work on it. The Kurtis was so much faster they had no choice. After Vuky failed, Troy Ruttman won the 52 race, but it was the last win for an upright dirt car. From then on it would be roadsters until Jim Clark won in 1965.

    I did a piece on these cars in Forza 24 (August 2000)
     
  13. Bertocchi

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  14. JazzyO

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    #39 JazzyO, Jul 14, 2012
    In the invitation for the upcoming Prince Berhard Memorial drive organised by the Ferrari Club Netherlands, it is stated that on the 16th of June 1985, Dries van der Lof drove his 375 F1 at the back of the royal palace in Soestdijk, as part of a parade of 120 Ferraris that came to visit Prince Bernhard. Presumably, that was this car? Must have been quite a sight, and more importantly, sound!! If only I had known, I lived 20kms away at the time.


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  15. mcwidow70

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    #40 mcwidow70, Nov 30, 2012
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    I have uselessly tried to identify the towed Ferrari showed on one of the previous posts starting from the following assumptions:

    -the towing car is a Studebacker 1953/54
    -the last edition of mentioned Mexican Road race is the 1954 (quote from memaerobilia site "This is Dad's new Studebaker coupe getting ready to tow an open wheel Ferrari (from The Bronx) "down to Texas for Mexican road race" I guess someone was going to pick it up in Texas and deliver it the rest of the way.")
    -the ferrari should be one of the 375 indy entered on 1952 500 miles
    -the ascari'375 on November 1953 was officially in Italy and it was rebuild/modified and renamed 0388 (the towed car is completely different)
    -it was modified most probably by Raceway Bronx Garage NYC for the Mexican Road Race (carrera Panamerica) according pictures owner'description' even if there is no trace of such a ferrari either in 1953 or 1954 entry list

    Do anyone have more information/details?
     
  16. gpmotorsllc

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    #41 gpmotorsllc, Dec 6, 2012
    Mr Lampe,
    Thank you for your reply! I have heard him speak of you often. Private message sent.

    Jon
     
  17. arthobald

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  18. JazzyO

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    #43 JazzyO, Dec 10, 2012
    Bit more than $0.02, I would say, Nicholas! Cool shots of a cool car.


    Onno
     
  19. pgrootswagers

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