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Ferrari Enzo #399 of #399

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  1. elmadi

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  3. Rossocorsa1

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    Few cars have the impact and presence that the Enzo has. Similar to the Countach and the F40, the Enzo is a show stopper.
     
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  4. elmadi

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  5. elmadi

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    I very much agree :)


     
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  6. Camelot

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    So do I. Enzo is a classic beauty.
     
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  7. technom3

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  8. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    Wondering where the last of the 'post production' cars is, #520?
     
  9. elmadi

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    Hmmmm... you must be right!
     
  10. joe sackey

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    Not necessarily.

    My client owns Enzo 399/399 (the final production car, the one example he always wanted) and as far as he is concerned, it's more valuable because not only is it now legal for him to use in the USA, it's still legal everywhere else, meanwhile unless you have a trained eye it looks exactly like every other Enzo out there and does not appear to be converted in any way. As regards potential future value, I think other collectors agree with his view, judging by attempts to buy it from him.
     
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  11. chichinato

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    Came across this Bonham auction from last year. https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25819/lot/18/

    Bonham states it to be the penultimate Enzo of the 400 produced, so it carries the same claim of being #399 as your car.
    Built for the Canadian market and finished in yellow over black, 21km from new. VIN: ZFFCW56A130134594
     
  12. Marcel Massini

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    134594 was Enzo #268 (in chassis number sequence). And built for USA, not Canada.
    Assembly #51715.
    Engine #78611.
    Gearbox #177.
    Body #9.
    22 September 2003 build start.
    19 November 2003 completion date.

    (28 July 2005 is the completion date of the very last Enzo built)

    Marcel Massini
     
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    Auction catalog claims often contain errors and/or unsubstantiated claims.

    Thank you Marcel.
     
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  14. chichinato

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    Thanks for the info! Strange that Bonhams can put claims like that up.

    Yeah, seems that is the case. Not very experienced in the world of high ticket auctions, but found the listing interesting in context to the thread. Hope your client enjoys his Enzo in good health!
     
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  15. willcrook

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    wasn't the last built enzo one that was 'rebuilt' after a crash but they actually just built a new car instead ?

    I remember reading about it on fchat
     
  16. joe sackey

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    399/399 the thread's subject has never been crashed, meanwhile a number of Enzos have been rebuilt after being crashed, can you be more specific?
     
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  18. joe sackey

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    Pleasure to be able to work with John to sell 399/399 to our VIP client.
     
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  19. Marcel Massini

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    Not 399 but 497 units total, all confirmed by chassis and assembly number.
    But 141920 is the highest chassis number for any Enzo.
    Production of 141920 started 29 March 2005 and was completed 28 July 2005.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  21. PAUL500

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    Also the total loss by fire example in the US that went back to Ferrari and even had a new VIN plate compared to the one originally fitted.

    So if this car is the highest Enzo chassis number and 497 were produced how is it 399? surely post production cars would have had even higher VIN numbers?
     
  22. joe sackey

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    399 was the originally intended production number as the plaque in every Enzo shows. This car is the 399th of the originally intended 399, ergo 399/399.

    But then Ferrari SpA made more.

    Not that difficult to understand.
     
  23. PAUL500

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    Well if this car has the highest chassis number of any Enzo and there were 497 Enzo's produced (I take it no one disputes Marcels number) then logic dictates that the other 496 have chassis numbers lower than this one? so yes it is difficult to understand how it can be 399 of 399 when in reality it is 497 of 399!!!

    Even if the other 98 were built after this car, post production ( and how can anyone produce another 98 cars after production stopped, sure a handful maybe built from spare parts but not 98) they must have still been allocated lower chassis numbers, so it still stacks up as 497
     
  24. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    Thank you for that information. So "400th" Pope Enzo #141920 is really 497th.
     
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  25. joe sackey

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    Ferrari SpA as a manufacturer can do whatever they please, even if some people are not happy and others don't understand.

    Again, 399 was the official originally intended production number as the plaque in every Enzo shows.

    Regardless of chassis number which we know is not always in sequence with production, this car is the 399th of the originally intended 399, ergo 399/399.

    Ferrari SpA then made 98 more.

    Not that difficult to understand.

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