Ferrari F1 Versus Porsche PDK

Well there's no clutch pedal and you can drive it in Auto or change up and down with the paddles - which car am I describing ? Both by the sound of it

 

430 F1 is much slower than the PDK....single vs dual....there was a small learning curve for me but once I understood and became familiar with the F1 I appreciated it.

 

Transmission aside, if you are transitioning from a 911 to a 430 you will be disappointed in the performance of the Ferrari.

It is generally accepted that the DCT in the 911 is superior even to the DCT in the 458 not to mention the single clutch in the 430.

 

It is slower, older technology but I think you'll find it very similar IMHO. I predict getting used to the less low end torque in the 430 compared to the 991 will be the real thing to get used to. Remember, you're going to have to wind it up to get to the power. It's a different driving style than the pcar. I like it because it seems to grow more and more savage and powerful the more you step on it.

Btw test drive it to compare your experience to above..

 

No offense intended, but I read stuff like this and weep for the future of sports cars, because you have to believe over 95% of people with automatics drive this way.

That s all.....

 

As the transmissions advance with new technology and better software, driving in automatic will surpass paddle shifting. My track time is actually better in automatic in my 458, given that I am not on the track a lot it allows me to just concentrate on maintaining the driving lines, and throttle control. For most of us that are not really capable to drive the cars to their full intended potential, automatic will likely to be superior.

But the difference between a Porsche and Ferrari is the "soul", which cannot be quantified by the number....You'll know once you drive it!

 

Can't go wrong with a 6 speed manual, I say brush up on your skills! That way there will be no comparison to the Porsche.

 

I think most here would agree. However, 3 pedal 430 cars are not that easy to find and then you throw in the OP's color combo and options wishes and it makes it 10 times harder.

 

To OP.

I had a 2009 Boxster with PDK and it was a great smooth transmission. IMHO too perfect. But not much fun. Plus it had the shifters on the wheel instead of the proper place on the column like Ferrari and Lamborghini put them. I rarely used the thumb shifters.

The 430 F1 is not as refined but so much more fun. I do not miss the PDK. I very rarely use the F1 in auto mode. The F1 has a real clutch and I try to preserve my as much as possible. I do very little reverse especially when engine is cold and never up inclines. It takes some getting used to it at very slow speeds like in parking lots etc. From what I've read on here I'm very careful to get the car into very few situations where reverse is needed. I would not buy an f1 as a daily driver but love it for a fun car.

 

Coming from a few different porsches and one with PDK, the biggest difference is I too mostly drove the 911PDK in auto, but in my SCUD I will mostly only drive it in manual paddle . The auto mode in the F1 is not smooth and seems odd in the fcar, where as in the 911 the auto mode is very nice and does a fantasic job.
The 911 is very clinical and has perfect performance without much of the thrill that ferrari gives. I have to be in the mood to drive and have an experience, the porsche can be relaxing and good for a light cruise.
I can't see myself replacing fcar with 911 anymore, I might add a 911 to the stable in though.

 

The F430 is going to feel like way more of an "event" when you drive it. The F1 is technically slower than the PDK, but many believe its rawness is a bit more satisfying. It feels a lot more "mechanical". I think you will find you will enjoy using the paddles a lot more. If you are looking for a special car to drive on a nice day--it is great. You probably won't lose too much in depreciation either--especially compared to a brand new 991. If you want a daily commuter I would stick with the 991.

Where I think the F1 is bad is in automatic mode. Most people I know pretty much don't use it. It is a bit jerky and not so great. The F1 is so mechanical and fun to shift--and typically when you drive an f-car it is a special drive anyway no need to really use it.

Performance wise, for driving on the street, IMHO, both cars have more than sufficient power. The difference between the two is how they make you smile when you are obeying the speed limit (or are only exceeding it by 10MPH or so) which you will likely be doing most the time.

 

If you drive mostly in automatic, the F430 F1 will feel much jerkier than the Porsche PDK in automatic. The F1 system is a manual 6 speed gearbox, identical to the three pedal transmission, with an electro-hydraulic shifter. F1 is really optimized for using the paddles, and if you are not going to use it that way, you may be happier with a 458 with DCT if you can afford one.

Incidentally, all the magazine road tests I have read say the Ferrari DCT is superior to the Porsche PDK, so I do not know where the opposite information originated.

 

I have a 2013 991 and had an F430. If you intend to do a lot of "auto" driving, you will be disappointed with the F1 in auto mode. However, the paddles are such a joy to use, I don't see why you would want to drive in auto mode. The only time I did so was when I had a starbucks in one hand

In terms of overall driving experience/pleasure, there is simply no comparison. I too am a lifelong 911 fan, but the 991 feels like a comfy GT when compared to an F430. 991s (except GT2/GT3s) simply don't feel special to me. The 991 has DD duties and I save the Fcars for weekend pleasure drives.

 

If I get a 911, its going to be a 997 or a 991 and its going to be for my dd.

 

I considered 997 but being near 50 and tall it a bit of a chore in and out now. Wasn't a thought a few years ago when I had my 911...plus kids are cramped

 

Never use f1 in auto mode. It's a manual box and clutch will burn if you don't drive it like a manual

PDk on 991 is second generation and inferior to 458 in feel and speed of engagement.

430 is superior to a 991s. No question about it. If you need a daily car, then stick to Porsche or get into a Maserati, M, AMG

 

The 458's auto mode actually is very drivable. If I have good parking if drive it all the time. You can definitely DD it, given how comfortable and quiet it is in sports mode.

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That is nonsense about burning up the F1 clutch in Auto. It uses exactly the same algorithms in Auto as it does when you use the paddles. If you drive it the same way with the paddles that the Auto mode operates, wear will be just the same. Old wives' tale.

 

Tazandjan, F1 slips the clutch in auto more. I said f1 needs to be driven like a manual to avoid burning clutch. I didn't say auto will burn the clutch. Auto mode wears clutch faster. Shift time is different in auto and manual and sport modes. Faster shift means less slipping but more abrupt.

DoctorWill, I agree auto on 458 makes the car very comfortable. However, maint and attn are also factors that makes 458 less desirable as a daily.

 

I have both a '07 F430 F1 Spider and a '12 991S and they are very different cars. Agree that the Porsche is a pleasant daily driver, but the rawness of the F1 is way more exciting to drive. It has never once occurred to me to drive the Ferrari in automatic mode ... seems sacreligious.

 

My 430 was a three pedal car (in my opinion the only way it should be) but if your looking for a low end torque monster you are buying the wrong car and after the I have a Ferrari thing wears off you will hate it. To really make a 430 fun to drive it needs to be shifted at between 5800 and 6800 rpm. It is no corvette and if it is driven around 4000 rpm you might as well buy a Miata you'd have more fun in it. Cars all have sweet spots as I call they and it is very hard to drive a 430 around (without a third pedal) town and modulate the power band properly. No offence meant but if you are driving in PDK in auto even 50% (and it sound like you do more than that) the F1 430 is not going to fit your needs. My 430 is the ONLY car (out of many) that I ever regretted selling and the only Ferrari I'd want and will probably get another one.