Ferrari, Sergio and the newest Ferrari can quit F1 statements

Only for a while, the length of which is an unknown. Brands suffer and die when they loose their core. What makes a Ferrari special is that people dream of owning them, that starts with true car people and expands into the masses due to the desire. If the core group leaves the brands equity and desire will fade.

 

The cars are 50% electric and on the way to being 100%. F1 is about to become F E. The current F E is jus the R&D for the change over. All this back and forth is just the death rattle of the internal combustion engine. Mercedes and Porsche have left Le Mans to go to F E. The internal combustion engine has only one real home...vintage racing...and for a little while longer, WRC. If Ferrari is smart they will take their current hybrid F1 engine and start moving the technology into their street cars.

 

If you look at the state of the electrical generating and supply system in both our countries, I wouldn't be rushing into an electric car anytime soon...... the best way to generate electricity is nuclear, and the greenies won't let us build those and the governments, certainly here, are terrified of upsetting those unshaven armpitted women. Good luck getting anywhere when they have to ration electricity supplies. Crikey, in the UK they are already claiming to be at capacity if there's a popular tv final episode on the telly and people are going to make themselves a cup of tea in the commercial break, let alone everyone has some scalectrix toy on the garage on charge to get to work.

I won't be buying one until there's no option..... that'll be a long time coming yet

As for formula (bor)E, what a load of rubbish that looks, silent slot cars, can't last a whole race on one set of batteries..... yeah...... can't wait till that takes off..... NOT

 

on your first point: my thought exactly!!
on you second point: my thought exactly!!

 

Thank god we've found common ground! I was beginning to think it was just me!

 

beware, only if what you say makes sense. Don't get over excited now

 

Sergio implies a new formula. Of course we have heard this before.

Here is my suggestion to reducing costs, having more driver involvement, and a better show for the fans.

8, 10 or 12 cylinder NA motors with no Kers
Manual boxes
Uses pump gas anyone can buy
Refueling allowed but no forced pressurization
No computer driver aids other than ABS
No launch control
One button maximum on the steering wheel
No moving wings
Ban all wind tunnel testing
Allow unlimited engines, gearboxes, and track testing
One computer program for aero evaluation given to all teams.
Replacement Front wing costs capped.

Sounds pretty awesome don’t you think?

 

Sounds awesome but sounds like bringing back a lot of the the 70ties!

 

We are on the same hymn sheet there


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the mayor is old


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bye cracky you young whipper snapper!

But seriously -- what's wrong with it? It will lower costs, get the drivers more involved and more passing.

Is that a bad thing?

 

I agree with The Mayor's new formula.

However, I would suggest:
1) no ABS (no driver aids)
2) all teams get the same amount of time in the same wind tunnel
3) more than one button on the steering wheel (this will allow Loulou44 to scr*w up big time from time to time)
4) free choice of tyres

 

Hey that's pretty cool

Formula Mayor.

 

from a racefan perspective, nothing i guess. Most of your point could be easily adapted, tomorrow.

But you have to considder manufacturers' point of view as well. Athough I think any discussion relating F1 with road relevance is BS, i do think that you cannot stop technology. I truly believe that F1 can be much cheaper, much more attractive and much more innovative if we go back to the situation of the 80 and 90s

My proposal with the aim to increase fan-satisfaction by creating a more equal playing field could be:

Give only a framework. We use to have : engines of 3000cc. It was up to any team to decide weather to used a 4,6,8,10,12 cilinder.
give them a minimum weight, give them a minimum height. Add some more details on wings, suspension and use of aids and call it a day.

Than, and only than we might see REAL innovative solutions ( which, btw can turn out as HIGHLY road relevant)
Allow proper testing. ( not this stupid 2x4 days per year crap) but facilitate this through the F1 owners so all teams can join in.
Work with a system where other teams can "buy" new inventions from the smart runners. Creating a more level playingfield but still reward innovation for the smart team( not nessecarely a topteams). Make selling of these innovation mandatory after a 3/6 months.
If you give me an hour more, or anybody here, we can come up with more smart ideas i'm sure.

This will still give the manufacturers an incentive to be inovative and creative and commercial exploitation( imagine the rear window stickers on any MB "MB, the inventors of [whaterver they came up with]"

By introducing these kind of creative solutions you not only satisfy the fans (most important) because races will never be predicatble again, but you also reward the manufacturers and keep them interested.

Again, nothing wrong with your set of ideas from a racefan pov but F1 must stay the ultimate series. You simply will not have this with '70/'80 technology. '70/'80 common sense on the other hand might bring us a long way.

 

naturally aspirated V-12 ;-)

 

a thoughtful and realistic analysis of the situation. Add the fact that the Sweater is not a traditionalist wrapped up in Ferrari's mystique except as it bears on the bottom line. Remember too that he is at heart a bean-counter. IMHO Luca diM would never have made such a public statement. If he had the same misgivings he would have worked Liberty behind the scenes and likely marshaled Mercedes and Red Bull to support a common power plant goal. The Sweater's ego has become a burden

 

Strange, Ferrari has never used this tactic before......

 

I think they need to go in the opposite direction. technology is what F-1 has always been about from its inception - even pre war.

open up engine regs - cap HP at 1500, utilize a standard engine ECU/ all teams use FIA computers etc...
Engines have to be sourced from current road production cars, that have more than 500 certified for road use. no limit on capacity or cylinders or type.
Auto boxes, movable aero, etc.. are all ok.
Minimum weight limit of 1200lbs.
max number of wheels & tires 6
minimum height 38 inches
Free bottom to the rear of the wing plate / plane no overhangs allowed.
driver survival cell mandatory - provided by FIA - with G meter / kill switch
Track limit detection system incorporated that automatically slows / disables car when 4 wheels leave mandated racing surface.
cutting edge braking systems encouraged
telemetry monitoring ok, but driver must manage all on board systems
refueling and pits stops encouraged but not required - but tank size limited and provided by FIA to encourage stops
auto morphing surfaces ok, but have to be limited in use, so that the 80% of the cars profile remains substantially the same during on track running.

This would be F-1 you want to watch!

 

I'm with Sergio to H*ll with Liberty Media. Ferrari have certain leverages in F1 and they should use them to the fullest
Anyone in SM's position would do exactly the same. New teams are welcome to come and succeed just like Merc did

 

It's all about technology except they keep banning it all.
FRIC, F-duct, mass dampeners, blown exhaust, active suspension, 2 way telemetry, traction control, launch control, movable aero, etc, etc.
No point in building expensive better mouse traps if every time you turn around the powers that be will take it away from you.

And remember how great essentially banning tire changes worked out??

 

I think it's time ferrari started talking about setting up a breakaway series, funded by Bernie, racing V8 or V10. They will draw plenty of teams with them, and there are lots of circuits around the world that can run. Maximum 10/12 rounds, a grand final at the end, and development through the season. No artificial cost caps, but costs will be reduced as the tech will be simpler and easier to develop. Circuits can be charged less to stage the races, no brainier. Liberty goes pop within a year on f1 - all because they continue to ignore fans that want to see RACING instead of foregone conclusions

 

+1

 

I'm onboard.

 

I tend to agree it's the future like it or not.
Or you can bury your head in the sand and watch the historic dinosaurs racing.

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