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  1. Marcel Massini

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    Alias name "Serano" was Gilberto Cornacchia, not Franco Cornacchia.

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  2. Sempre_gilles

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    Do you have any idea if this was Astolfo or Raffaello Bertolucci?
     
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    24 Heures de Francorchamps (24 Hours of Spa) 23-24.07.1953

    Scuderia Ferrari team cars:
    #6 0320 AM (375 MM Berlinetta PF), Luigi Villoresi & Alberto Ascari,DNF
    #8 0322 AM (375 MM Berlinetta PF), Giuseppe Farina & Mike Hawthorn, 1st A.O.
    #9 0318 AM (375 MM Berlinetta PF), Umberto Maglioli & Piero Carini, DNF

    T-car: 0286 AM (375 MM Spyder PF) practiced by all Scuderia Ferrari drivers.


    Ecurie Francorchamps:
    #2 0074 E (212 Export), Charles de Tornaco & Onore Wagner, DNF

    Again, please feel free to correct me as chassis and race numbers are easily mixed up.
     
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  4. Aardy

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    Exact date was 25-26 July 1953. I will post all data and pictures tomorrow with Messina 10 Hours. ;)
     
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  5. Sempre_gilles

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    #405 Sempre_gilles, Jul 24, 2023
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    Sadly no more details in the article
     
  7. Aardy

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    An interesting pic was for sale at the Ferrari 75th Anniversary Online Auction of Automobilia Ladenburg : Ferrari #5 during practise...
    I let you guess which was its race number...;)
     
  9. Sempre_gilles

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    #409 Sempre_gilles, Jul 24, 2023
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    I hereby solemnly promise to keep my mouth shut on the 10 h of Messina!

    BTW, #63 is the T-car.
     

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  10. Aardy

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    :D:D:D;)
     
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    25-26 july 1953 10 Hours of Messina, Italy, Sicily
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    #1 Pinin Farina Berlinetta 250 MM 0292MM Cornacchia/Bracco 2nd
    #2 Pinin Farina Berlinetta 250 MM 0256MM Castellotti/Musitelli 1st
    #5
    Vignale Coupe 225 S 0070E Piotti/Moroni 4th
    #8 Fontana Spyder 212 Export 0086E Mancini G./Bernabei DNF
    #9 Vignale Spyder 212 Export 0182ED “Serano”/Crepaldi DNF ?
    #10 Vignale Coupe 225 S 0237EU Enzo Pinzero/Stazzi “Placido” 5th
    #11 Touring Berlinetta Le Mans 166 MM 00112E Gerini/Pinzero E. 6th
    #12 Vignale Spyder 166 MM/53 0278M Sterzi/Cortese 8th

    There were also these two entries (no pics) :
    #15 Touring Barchetta 166 MM 0034M Donato/ Donato
    On track during practise but no result known. On this link,
    https://www.siciliamotori.it/2020/03/25/francesco-donato/
    Francesco Donato explains that he ran 10 Hours of Messina twice : 1954 and the following year (1955). Then, we can presume a DNS in 1953...
    #7 Mancini C. / Ferraguti 212 No time in practise, no result. DNA ?

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    May I suggest this excellent book ?
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  12. Marcel Massini

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    You may want to re-think about the chassis number car #1.

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  13. Aardy

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    I thought #1 was the PF berlinetta #12 that won the GP dell’Autodromo...
     
  14. Marcel Massini

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    Same car yes, but you have the wrong chassis number.

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  15. Aardy

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    I always thought it was 0292/MM Pf job 11194. Later renumbered 0352/MM.
     
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  17. Aardy

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    Sorry Andrew but I can’t believe that.
    I don’t know exactly when 0292MM has been renumbered 0352MM. May be Marcel is trying to say #1 at Messina was already restamped 0352MM ? I doubt...
     
  18. Sempre_gilles

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    #418 Sempre_gilles, Jul 25, 2023
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    Remarks / questions on driver names from my side:
    - Your list shows two entries for Pinzero: #10 and #11. Are these entries for Enzo Pinzero in #10 and Guglielmo Pinzero in #11?
    - I assume that the Sterzi listed for #12 is Enrico Sterzi
    - Any chance of the surname of the second Donato? The driver was Francesco Donato.
     
  19. Aardy

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    As far I remember, the second Donato was his brother Guido.
    Yes, Enrico Sterzi for #12.
    I will check the Pinzero entries later.
     
  20. Marcel Massini

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    0292 MM was renumbered on 1 July 1953.

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  21. Aardy

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    I suppose you have all the papers ! ;)
    Thanks !
     
  22. kare

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    According to my notes 0352MM was renumbered into 0239EU for Echeverria on 1/jul/53.

    I cannot confirm when exactly 0239EU and 0292MM were reunumbered, but both were in Modena at this time. New certificato seems to have been issued for 0239EU early October, now with 0292MM. Would be interesting to see some entry forms for the "factory work horse" 0292MM to confirm which serial number it was using during summer of 1953.
     
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  23. Sempre_gilles

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    Entered for the Brynfan Tyddyn Road Races - race 5 on 25.07.1953 but probably DNA:

    #53, 1995 cc (probably chassis 0054 M), Ed ("Ebby") Lunken
     
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    Entered for the Grand Prix de Caen - Sports Cars Handicap on 25.07.1953 but also DNA:

    #9 René Marchand
     
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    Also this tragedy on 25.07.1953: 2° United States Air Force Trophy (organised by AMOC)- race 4 (15 lap scratch race for sports cars over 2000 cc)

    #5 0280 AM (340 MM Spyder), Bobbie Baird, fatal accident
     
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