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  1. bs76

    bs76 Formula Junior

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    back to 12th April 1953 the Coupes de Vitesse at Montlhéry:

    I have no informations or proof (by pics) that S/N 0244M was present at this event.

    Marcel wrote: For example, Boncompagni's 0236 MM is often listed as 340 MM (that would be a 4.1 liter) when in fact it was born and has always been a 250 MM (3 liter), just look at the build sheets.
    @marcel and others:
    Very interesting; the car is descriped in the entry list in some of the 1953 french race programs as "Ferrari 4.1 Liter"...

    best wishes,
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  2. Sempre_gilles

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    It seems we skipped the following events with Ferrari Sports cars participation :(

    12.04.1953 Lone Star National Sports Car Races at Bergstrom Air Force Base
    12.04.1953 Nationaler Automobil-Slalom Dübendorf
    18.04.1953 4° Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance
    19.04.1953 4° Annual Pebble Beach Sports Car Road Races
    19.04.1953 Thompson
    22.04.1953 1° Circuito do Maracanã
    22.04.1953 35° Salone Internazionale dell' Automobile Torino
     
  3. Aardy

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    Sorry but lack of time to cover every race ! Thanks for your additional infos ! ;)
    Regarding Torino Show, there were no Ferrari sport cars as far I remember. For street cars, there is the « Ferrari at Motor Shows » thread (one of my favourite thread ! :))
     
  4. Marcel Massini

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    Here's Alfredo Ducato of Hillsborough/CA with 0271 EU, reserve winner.

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  5. Aardy

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    Always in love with the Vignale design !
    These cars are just beauties ! :)
     
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  6. readplays

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    I agree(!). I know a Swiss guy who wrote a whole book just about this subject. :p:D
     
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  7. Aardy

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    25-26 april 1953 Mille Miglia, Brescia-Brescia

    Second round of the 1953 World Sportscar Championship

    446 Vignale Spyder 166 MM/53 0278M Enrico Sterzi/O. Rossi 15th
    447 Vignale Spyder 166 MM/53 0290M Luigi Piotti/Bruno Franzoni 24th
    455 Touring Barchetta 166 MM 0058M Ambrogio Arosio/Giuseppe di Italo DNF
    514 Autodromo Spyder 166 MM/53 0272M Alberico Cacciari/Bill Mason 56th
    515 Touring Berlinetta Le Mans 166 MM 0048M Giulio Musitelli/Ferruccio Musitelli DNF
    520 Zagato Berlinetta 166 MM 0046M Luigi Bosisio/Pierluigi Ercole DNF
    527 Ferrari Spyder 166 MM/53 0264M Michelangelo Leonardi/Roberto Vallone DNF
    543 Pinin Farina Berlinetta 250 MM 0254MM Paolo Marzotto/Marino Marini (“Zignago”) DNF
    544 Vignale Spyder 250 MM 0230MM Roberto Rossellini/Aldo Tonti DNF
    547 Vignale Spyder 340 MM 0280AM Gianni Marzotto/Marco Crosara Scuderia Ferrari 1st
    556 Vignale Spyder 212 Export 0194ET Jacques Swaters/Charles de Tornaco DNF
    605 Pinin Farina Berlinetta 250 MM 0270MM Bianca Maria Piazza/Mario Piazza DNF
    608 Vignale Spyder 340 MM 0284AM Tom Cole/Mario Vandelli 4th
    609 Pinin Farina Berlinetta 250 MM 0256MM Giovanni Bracco/Alfonso Rolfo DNF
    613 Touring Spyder 340 MM 0294AM Luigi Villoresi/Pasquale Cassani Scuderia Ferrari DNF
    615 Touring Spyder 340 MM 0268AM Giuseppe Farina/Luigi Parenti Scuderia Ferrari DNF
    617 Touring Berlinetta 212 Export 0112E Gerino Gerini/Luciano Donazzolo DNF
    621 Vignale Spyder 225 S 0154ED Astolfo Bertolucci/Raffaello Bertolucci DNF
    625 Vignale Spyder 250 MM 0288MM Mike Hawthorn/Azelio Cappi Scuderia Ferrari DNF
    627 Pinin Farina Berlinetta 250 MM 0258MM Bruno Sterzi/Nino Rovelli DNF
    633 Vignale Spyder 250 MM 0282MM Giulio Cabianca/Gianfranco Roghi Scuderia Ferrari 9th
    636 Vignale Spyder 250 MM 0274MM Piero Scotti/Giulio Cantini DNF
    637 Vignale Berlinetta 340 Mexico 0224AT Eugenio Castellotti/Ivo Regosa DNF

    More pics in the excellent Red Arrows book.
    Never seen a pic of #527
     
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  8. Sempre_gilles

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    Small addition:

    524 166 MM Berlinetta 0042 M Gilberto Cornacchia DNA
     
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  9. Aardy

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    Picture please ! :D;)
     
  10. Marcel Massini

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    DNA = DNS = no pix.

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  11. Aardy

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    I was joking ! :D
     
  12. kare

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    Pinin Farina called the prototype "342 Berlinetta" as reference to body style, not the engine.
     
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  13. bs76

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    yes, I know...
    but if you entered a car for a race you must give informations about the engine capacity,
    2 liter, 3 liter or more which sorted your car in a special class...
    and the engine capacity of Pagnibon's car is mentioned with 4.100 in some of the french race programs..
    I will scan an example.

    best wishes,
    BjörnS
     
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  14. Aardy

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    On 28-29th april 1953, Robert Braunschweig and Rudy Mailander were at the factory for the Swiss magazine "Automobil Revue".
    Fortunately for us, they took plenty of pictures ! :)

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    The brand new 340 MM PF Berlinetta...

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    The 735 S Ferrari Spyder (Aurelio Lampredi on the last picture...)

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    The 625 TF Vignale Coupe...

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    The 340 MM Touring Spyder #615 (Giuseppe Farina and Luigi Parenti car at the 1953 Mille Miglia)...

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    The 340 MM Vignale Spyder #547 (winner of the 1953 Mille Miglia with Gianni Marzotto and Marco Crosara) at the Modena Autodromo...

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    Luigi Villoresi at wheel of the 735 S (in the background of second #547 picture at Autodromo).

    High resolution pics on the excellent library.revsinstitute.org...
     
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  15. Marcel Massini

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    FYI Robert Braunschweig was founder and owner of "Automobil Revue" (Swiss German edition) and "Revue Automobile" (for the French speaking part of Switzerland) which is not a magazine but actually a weekly newspaper (large format). This newspaper still exists today and comes every Thursday since almost 100 years now. I have been a subscriber since March 1970 until today. Braunschweig was good friend with Enzo Ferrari and visited the Commendatore regularly.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  16. kolding11

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    Sorry, Marcel, Robert Braunschweig was neither founder nor owner of "Automobil Revue"/"Revue Automobile". Robert Braunschweig was born in August 1914, the first issue of "Automobil Revue" was published in January 1906, founder was the publisher Otto Richard Wagner. In 1912 the Wagner'sche Verlagsanstalt acquired the Haller'sche Buchdruckerei and the merged company was called Hallwag. Robert Braunschweig became technical editor of the "Automobil Revue" in 1943 and was editor (Chefredaktor) from 1952 to 1980.
     
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  17. bs76

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  18. Marcel Massini

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    0288 MM, yes, Baird had it on loan from the factory, see here:

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  19. Aardy

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    You beat me ! ;) Here are the three cars entered...
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  20. Aardy

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    Image Unavailable, Please Login 14 may 1953 Targa Florio, Circuito delle Madonie

    Third round of the 1953 World Sportscar Championship

    #22 Vignale Spyder 225 S 0176ED Antonio Stagnoli 9th
    #28 Abarth Spyder 166 MM/53 0262M Giulio Musitelli 21st
    #36 Touring Barchetta 212 Export 158ED Luigi Bordonaro 16th
    #44 Vignale Spyder 166 MM/53 0290M Luigi Piotti DNF
    #50 Vignale Coupé 250 S 0156ET Roberto Bonomi 8th
    #52 Touring Barchetta 225 S 0104ED Eugenio Castellotti DNF
    #70 Vignale Spyder 250 MM 0282MM Giulio Cabianca Scuderia Ferrari 6th
    #82 Vignale Spyder 250 MM 0274MM Piero Scotti/Giulio Contini DNF
    #92 Vignale Spyder 250 MM 0296MM Pietro Palmieri DNF

    Hope someone will post a picture of #44 (Piotti) ! Never seen one !
     
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  22. Aardy

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    Really nobody for a pic (or a reference to a pic) of Luigi Piotti (number 44) at 1953 Targa Florio ? :(
    Thanks in advance ! ;)
     
  23. bs76

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    1953 / 05 / 31: Coupes de Paris, Montlhery
    following cars entered:

    Coupe de Tourisme plus de 2 Litres:
    Nr. 23 / Ferrari 2,5 Liter (= 212 Export Vignale Coupe S/N 0096 E) / Lino Fayen

    Coupe de Printemps (Course, Sport et Tourisme de performance moins de 2 Litres)
    Nr. 97 / Ferrari Sport 2 Litre (= 166 SC S/N 004C) / Folledry = Polledry
    Nr. 98 / Ferrari Tourisme 2 Litre (= 166 MM'53 Vignale Coupe S/N 0244 M) Francois Picard
    Nr. 101 / Ferrari Sport 2 Litre (= 166 MM Zagato Spyder S/N 0018M?) / Yvonne Simon

    Coupe de Paris (Course, Sport et Tourisme de performance jusqu'a 4,5 Litres)
    Nr. 8 / Ferrari 4.100 (= 340 MM Touring Spyder S/N 0268 AM) / Pagnibon = Boncompagni
    Nr. 11 / Ferrari 2,5 Liter (= 212 Export Vignale Coupe S/N 0096 E) / Lino Fayen

    best wishes,
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  24. Aardy

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    7 june 1953 12 Heures d’Hyères, France
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    Touring Spyder 340 MM 0268AM "Pagnibon" DNF (fatal accident)
    21 Vignale Coupé 166 MM/53 0244M Picard / Pozzi 3th 192 laps (1st IC - 2 liters)
    22 Vignale Coupé 166 MM/53 0308M Caussé / Dumay 6th 180 laps (2nd IC - 2 liters)

    Winner :
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    Jaguar C-type Whitehead / Cole 204 laps

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    Google Maps : 43.09106962667176, 6.136357943929409 (You have to rotate the map to the right to fit with the old map)
     
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  25. ERault

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    I have a note that Lamberti and Macchieraldo (Ferrari 2560cc in the program) elected not to take the start at the last minute because of the bad weather.
     
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