OK - I don't doubt. But that explantation links the bare metal pictures to what we know they are, it does NOT link the bare metal pictures to the article. Lastly, I see extreme similarity between the bare metal 118 body and the body in the article, which would explain a few other mysteries. Best Elad
Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login I'm not sure if you want to say the bare alloy car and the one in the article are the same car but if yes, forget it, too much differences...
No, I specifically said that if this car is a 6 cylinder (118), then its likely to be 0546LM, not 0484LM (which is the bare metal car). What I am unable to understand is why the article would be so blatantly wrong, labelling the car as 6 cylinder 118? Even the cockpit picture is captioned as 6 cylinder, odd! Simply dismissing this as a mistake is not backed by any impartial info - correct me if I am mistaken, please. Best Elad
There is a picture (will search it) of the engine of the Scaglietti spyder in the article and it’s a 4 cylinders, not 6.
Image Unavailable, Please Login The 4 cylinders in the Scaglietti Spyder of the article. Image Unavailable, Please Login The 6 cylinders engine in the bare alloy Scaglietti Spyder in the factory courtyard.
Sure - saw that, but -without sounding cynical- why do we think this engine picture is linked to the article? its a pic of a 500MD engine, no doubt, but where is the link? Elad
Because this pic belongs to a set of pictures I posted on page 65 (post #1609) that was for sale many years ago through an online auction (can’t recall the name, may be maisonbibelot but not sure). You can even see the building reflecting on the body...
Dear friends, last day of the year. It's time to thank you for your interest and participation ! Hope you will follow the year 1955 and also the Gran Turismo thread with the same interest ! But for now, here is the index for the year 1954. The one from 1953 is on page 34 (post #827). Thanks again ! 1954 World Sports Car Championship I - 24 January 1954, 1000 km Buenos Aires, Argentina : Page 41 II - 7 March 1954, 12 hours of Sebring, USA : Page 42 III - 1-2 May 1954, Mille Miglia : Page 45 IV - 12-13 June 1954, 24 Heures du Mans, Le Mans, France : Page 51, 52 V - 11 September 1954, Tourist Trophy, Dundrod, United Kingdom : Page 70 VI - 23 November 1954, Carrera Panamericana "Mexico" : Page 65, 66, 75 Final results of the 1954 World Sportscar Championship : Page 75 1954 Non-Championship races 3 January 1954, Grande Prêmio do Cidade do Rio de Janeiro, Gávea, Brasil : Page 34 to 38 10 January 1954, IV Centenario Gran Premio de Sao Paulo, Interlagos, Brasil : Page 35 to 40, 76 28 February 1954, Agadir, Morocco : Page 41, 42 7 March 1954, GP Senegal, Dakar : Page 42 4 April 1954, Giro di Sicilia, Italy : Page 43 to 45 11 April 1954, Coppa della Toscana, Italy : Page 43 and 44 19 April 1954, Marrakesh : Page 44 24-25 April 1954, Vuelta a Cataluna : Page 47 25 April-1 May 1954, Internationale Tulpen Rallyen, Netherlands : Page 45 8 May 1954, Rallye Automobile Sablé-Solesmes, France : Page 45 9 May 1954, Eläintarhanajo Djurgardsloppet, Helsinki, Finland : Page 45 15 May 1954, Daily Express Trophy, Silverstone, Great Britain : Page 46 16 May 1954, Gran Premio di Napoli, Italy : Page 46 16 May 1954 : Duas Horas de Interlagos, Brasil : Page 68 18 May 1954 Rallye de Aveiro, Portugal : Page 47 21 May 1954, Sei Ore Notturna, Bari, Italy : Page 47 23 May 1954, Grand Prix des voitures de série, Spa, Belgium : Page 47 23 May 1954, Hedemoraloppet, Hedemora, Sweden : Page 47, 48 30 May 1954 Targa Florio, Piccolo circuito delle Madonie, Italy : Page 48 2 June 1954, Giro Automobilistico dell'Umbria, Coppa della Perugina, Perugia, Italy : Page 48, 49, 50 6 June 1954, 12 Heures d’Hyères, France : Page 48, 49 7 June 1954 National Zandvoort, Netherlands : Page 49 13 June 1954, Circuito di Caserta : Page 51 16 June 1954, 5° Svenska Rallyt till Midnattssolen (Rally of the Midnight Sun) : Page 53 20 June 1954, Gran Premio “Conchiglia d’Oro Shell”, Imola, Italy : Page 53 27 June 1954, Supercortemaggiore, Monza, Italy : Page 49, 54, 55, 57, 63 27 June 1954 Grande Prémio do Porto, Circuito Internacional do Oporto, Boavista, Portugal : Page 56 27-28 June 1954 : 3° Trofeo Automobilistico Supercortemaggiore : Page 60, 61 29 June 1954, La Cagliari-Sassari-Cagliari, Trofeo della Reggione Sarda, Italy : Page 55, 57 4 July 1954, 12 Heures de Reims : Page 58 11 July 1954, Coppa d'Oro delle Dolomiti, Italy : Page 59, 60 17 July 1954 : Coppa della Consuma, Italy : Page 61 25 July 1954 Grande Prémio de Portugal, Circuito Internacional de Lisboa, Monsanto, Portugal : Page 61 25 July 1954, 10 Ore Notturna Messinese, Messina, Italy : Page 61, 62 25 July 1954, KNAC Sportwagenraces, Zandvoort, Netherlands : Page 62 1 August 1954, Giro delle Calabrie, Italy : Page 62 8 August 1954, Reggio di Calabria : Page 62, 63, 64 8 August 1954, Circuito di Senigallia, Italy : Page 62, 63 15 august 1954 Zandvoort International, Netherlands : Page 64 18-22 August 1954, Liège-Rome-Liège, Belgium-Germany-Austria-Italy-France-Belgium : Page 66 21 August 1954, Grand Prix Bern, Switzerland : Page 66, 67 22 August 1954, Trullo d'Oro, Italy : Page 67 22 August 1954, Cem Milhas do Maracanã : Page 67, 68 29 August 1954, Gran Premio Pergusa, Circuito della Cravatta, Enna, Italy : Page 69 3-12 September 1954, Tour de France : Page 70 4-5 September 1954, Skarpnäcksloppet, Skarpnäck, Stockholm, Sweden : Page 70 19 September 1954, Trofeo Lumezzane (Sarezzo - Lumezzane), Coppa Renzo Cantoni, Italy : Page 71 19 September 1954, Bugatti Owners Club Prescott, United Kingdom : Page 71 25 September 1954, Goodwood International, United Kingdom : Page 71 26 September 1954, Giornata dei Primeti (Castelfusano, Italy : Page 72 26 September 1954, 5° Nationales Bergrennens, Mitholz-Kandersteg, Switzerland : Page 71, 72 3 October 1954, Kanonloppet, Karlskoga, Sweden : Page 73 2 October 1954, Aintree International, United Kingdom : Page 72, 73 10 (17?) October 1954, Coppa d'Oro Sicilia, Circuito di Siracusa, Italy : Page 73 10 October 1954, Coupes du Salon, Montlhéry, France : Page 73 23 October 1954, GP Peña-Rhin, Pedralbès, Spain : Page 74 24 October 1954, Coppa Firenze-Siena, Italy : Page 74 31 October 1954, 6 Ore Castelfusano, Roma (Ostia), Italy : Page 74 28 November 1954, 100 Milhas do IV Centenário - Interlagos, Brasil : Page 75 6-12 December 1954, Nassau Trophy Road Races, Windsor Field Road Course, Bahamas : Page 76 7 December 1954, Rallye des Lions, France : Page 75 19 December 1954, National Buenos Aires, Argentina : Page 76 1954 Hillclimbs 28 March 1954, Toricelle hillclimb, Italy : Page 43 27 May 1954, Monte Pellegrino, Italy : Page 54 30 May 1954 Chiusaforte - Sella Nevea, Italy : Page 48 17 June 1954, Coppa Gallenga - Criterium di Roma (Tratto Frascati - Vermicino Rocca di Papa), Italy : Page 53, 54 20 June 1954 : Trieste-Opicina, Italy : Page 55, 56, 58 25 July 1954 : Aosta - Gran San Bernardo, Italy : Page 62 8 August 1954, Borzonasco, Italy : Page 63, 64 19 September 1954, 5° Bologna - Passo della Raticosa, Italy : Page 71 17 October 1954, Treponti-Castelnuovo, Italy : Page 73 24 October 1954, Corsa de Colli Torinesi, Sassi-Superga : Page 74 14 November 1954, Castellaccio, Italy : Page 75 1954 Motor Shows 23 January 1954, World Motor Sports Show, Madison Square Garden, New York, USA : Page 40 and 41 26 February-7 March 1954, RAI-Tentoonstelling Personen-Automobielen, Netherlands : Page 11-21 March 1954 Geneva Show, Switzerland : Page 42 and 43 April-May 1954 : Stockholm Motor Show : Page 45 21 April - 2 May 1954, Turin Show, Italy : Page 45 7-17 October 1954, 41ème Salon de l'Automobile, du Cycle et du Motocycle, Paris, France : Page 73 1954 US races 31 January 1954 MacDill AFB, Tampa, Florida, USA : Page 41 6 June 1954, Golden Gate Races, Golden Gate Park, San Francisco, CA, USA : Page 53 27-28 November 1954, Torrey Pines Road races, USA : Page 53, 76 Specific cars 375 F1 : Page 34 0050M (0308M) : Page 65 0388 : Page 41 007S : Page 37 and 38 0072M : Page 36, 40 0134E : Page 71, 72 0156ET : Page 57, 58 0237EU : Page 54 0244M : Page 58, 59, 60 0250MM : Page 43 0266M : Page 58, 59, 60 0270MM, 0352MM/0292MM : Page 55, 56, 58, 63, 64 0273EU : Page 37 0356M : Page 75 0362AM(0376AM) : Page 48 0380AM : Page 42 and 43 0389AM : Page 76 0404M, 0420M : Page 57 0414MD : Page 43 and 44 0428MD : Page 52, 66 0430MD : Page 55 0432M : Page 49 0454MD : Page 64, 70, 71 0460AM (with 0050M and 020I) : Page 75 0464MD, 0468MD, 0470MD : Page 64, 65, 66, 69, 70, 71, 76, 77 0484LM : Page 76 Various Enzo Ferrari at wheel of a 375 MM Pf Spyder : Page 44, 45 Ferrari factory : Page 52, 64, 65, 66, 76 Scaglietti badges : Page 64, 65 Mondial Chassis numbers : Page 66, 68, 69 Scuderia Ferrari badges : Page 68
Thank YOU for all your hardwork, research and compilation effort, and for having the idea in the first place. Happy New Year to everybody
Image Unavailable, Please Login Thanks to you guys ! And the best is yet to come ! Happy New Year to everybody !
I believe this photo is from the 1955 Venezuelan Grand Prix, Caracas. Can anyone confirm that and do any of you happen to have a better version? Image Unavailable, Please Login
One more. Does anyone know where and when this photo was taken? Can the cars be identified? I believe the third from the front is 0454MD but would like more info. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Thanks for confirming. I continue to search for any/all photos of 0454MD and I believe it’s second in that grainy photo but I’d sure like a better version. As we’ve discussed offline your car and mine ran that event together. Not sure if you have seen this video but it’s pretty cool to see period footage, particularly spotting the Mondials!
Yep, saw this some time ago when Eduardo Muñoz discovered it. This pic shows 0454/MD in the middle, presume you already have it. Best regards, Robert Image Unavailable, Please Login
Yes, thanks to your suggestion I spoke with Eduardo Muñoz both about his father’s involvement with the GP, Bob Said and 0454, and he was kind enough to share a handful of photos too. Many thanks for the reference. I’ve put together a spreadsheet of races the car participated in so now my goal is to gather up any and all photographs and race related stuff for each event. I just love the history of it all and researching the details to learn more about the car.
Definitely! They do look quite similar at a glance or in fuzzy photos. The bulgy hood, rear diamond (or lack of one), and side vents are the easy tells if visible in photo or video. Then there’s the race numbers to identify as well. Of course 0494 seems to have only had a few races in as many months before it was heavily crashed and returned to the factory whereas 0454 raced for over a decade. Has the Bob Said Monza ever resurfaced? Barchetta mentions it was seen in 1975 but it’s hard to know and I haven’t never seen posts or photos about it turning up.
To me the quickest way to differentiate the two cars is the windscreen mounting. 0454/MD has a flat cowl, and 0494/M has a faired windscreen. Best regards, Robert
Image Unavailable, Please Login Here is a slightly better view. Much to say about #42 but not before november 1955 (please, respect the chronology ! )
Image Unavailable, Please Login 15-26 January 1955, XXXVIII Salon, Automobiel, Moto en Rijwieil (Automobile, motorcycle and bicycle), Eeuwfeestpaleis, Brussels Image Unavailable, Please Login 750 Monza Scaglietti Spyder 0492M. Note the snakeskin interior ! Image Unavailable, Please Login 166 MM/53 Oblin Spyder 0300M (rebody of a Vignale coupe by Martial Oblin, belgian coachbuilder located in Brussels). Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Jacques Swaters and King Baudoin, in front of 0492M...
Here's the factory delivery note for 0492 M to the Brussels Motor Show 1955. Marcel Massini Image Unavailable, Please Login
