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Discussion in 'Report Bugs & Ask Questions' started by rob lay, Nov 8, 2003.

  1. rob lay

    rob lay Administrator
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    I know there are several users that have problems seeing the images. I've been trying to track down the problem with vB, here are some of the responses so far. Please report if you have or have not been able to see images on the Mac and which browser version. Thanks.

    "The problem with images loading on macs is a bug in Internet Explorer. I had this problem on my mac. It's entirely the browser's fault and not a server or vB issue.

    I'm not sure why, but at some point IE 5 just won't load any more images and it won't animate all the gifs. It's just IE for Mac. Mozilla and Safari work like a charm."

    - and -

    "i can confirm.

    Using IE 5.1 on OS 9.2.

    Since MS dropped all support for IE on the Mac. I suggest Opera / Mozilla for Mac OS 9 and Opera / Mozilla / Safari for Mac OS X."
     
  2. Brian C. Stradale

    Brian C. Stradale F1 Rookie
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    Rob, I will also confirm that the problem is specific to IE on the Mac. No pics in IE, although I do see the Avatars.

    It appears the pics are marked as an image (it puts its default graphic icon in a box where the image should be)... and as such it gives you a menu item to "Download image to disk"... but in all cases it thinks it is downloading the image named "attachment.php". I've seen other instances of vB attachments being marked in such a way that you get the .php rather than the thing the .php should generate/refer-to. Not sure if that helps you solve the problem...

    I normally use Safari... fantastic browser... though still a bit rough (as typical of version 1 of anything).
     
  3. Artherd

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    I'm happy to report that Fchat works like a charm in Safari on OSX.

    Best!
    Ben.
     
  4. wax

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    I've been trying to think of a way to do this without having to do Mac/IE5-browser redirects (it'd effectively double the size of the site), and it occured to me that because IE5 in Mac is a little more "strict" about how html needs to be valid, it bears looking into.
    Just for the halibut, is this quote from Mac-Forums which uses the exact same software as F-Chat
    "By the way, Mac/IE5.0 is a disaster to code for"
    It's not the only quote on the net like it.

    To go about finding out, I want to see what "type" of html is being used on f-chat, and wish to do so on a page which has images. What f-chat puts out is what a browser sees.

    This is the oldest Off-topic thread containing images
    Note that the page, like the rest of f-chat is:
    DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional\

    So I ran the aforementioned threafd through W3C's XHTML 1.0 Validator

    Though there are errors on the page, it appears no XHTML 1.0 errors are related to the Image Tags which should by default, be included when Images are posted by users.

    You'll also note that the W3C validator has a disclaimer -
    "Note: The Validator XML support has some limitations."

    BUT if you look at the F-Chat source page, you'll see that there aren't closing tags for the images, that is: </img>
    I realize that there were no closing tags on the older board either, but the older board was likely running on a different specification than XHTML 1.0 Transitional. (Whatever the specification was on the old board, I can't see it in the source page. It just starts straight off with <html>).

    Here is how the new f-chat handles attachments:
    <!-- attachments -->




    <img src="attachment.php?attachmentid=85&stc=1" border="0" alt="" /><br />

    <!-- / attachments -->

    Perhaps with Mac/IE5, the <!-- / attachments --> don't register, where </img> would. If Mac/IE5 "demands" closing tags for images in XHTML 1.0 Transitional, or at least doesn't know what's up with <!-- / attachments --> then </img> may now "have" to be there. I don't think a </img> tag dropped in at the end of the actual attachment is going to kill a page, regardless of the presence of the <!-- / attachments --> minor gods.

    ?: How about the software, er, at least the html be reset to include the </img> tags, at least on one page such as the long aforementioned page:
    FerrariChat > Offtopic > Posting Pictures - Just testing
    Heck - make it just one bigass pic to test such as the "attachment" shown above - apply a closing tag, double-check to see that it's registering on the source page after a tag is added. Then have a Mac IE5 user check it out. If he or she can see image(s), and it doesn't harm output to everybody else who's been having the time of their lives (slaps knee), we all win.

    After all is said and done, as implied in the first paragraph of this post, it's all because IE5 in Mac is a little more "strict" about how html needs to be valid.
     
  5. Birdman

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    IE 5.1 works fine on my iBook running OS 9.1 but doesn't work properly on my desktop machine running OS X. Safari is fine.
     
  6. wax

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    I was having a look-see at my Opera Browser cache, and noted something that Ferrari.com uses:

    http://www.ferrari.com/scripts/sniffer.js

    // Revised 17 May 99 to add is.nav5up and is.ie5up (see below).
    // Revised 21 Nov 00 to add is.gecko and is.ie5_5 Also Changed is.nav5 and is.nav5up to is.nav6 and is.nav6up

    _______

    Further down the page (@halfway)

    // note ie5up on mac is 1.4

    _______

    Ferrari.com wasn't chosen as an example only because it's Ferrari - rather, it's the only sniffer.js in my cache.
    I'll bet "Hmmm, Baby, I wanna sniff your cache" is a hot pickup line with geeks.

    Really need some of the brainiac code guys to step forward on this important issue, as Mac users who limit themselves to IE aren't getting the full benefit of F-Chat.

    It is important to bear in mind that perhaps some users are prevented from simply downloading Safari because of workplace restrictions.
     

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