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  1. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    I want a 100 page thread on the injustice of this all.
     
  2. Bas

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  3. pilotoCS

    pilotoCS F1 World Champ
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    Chuck did come across as a bit of a whingey baby. Otherwise a nice recovery by the squadra.
     
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  4. steved033

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    Well.. Michael isn't there any more to keep it a MOTOR RACE.

    sjd
     
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  5. kandi

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    GIORGIO ROSSELLI VINCE IL GRAN PREMIO DELLA BARRICHELLICA AVA MMXXII ||| ALTELVCI DELLA CORSA

     
  6. absostone

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    cose strano
     
  7. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    9. Another F1 officiating system needs addressing

    In the aftermath of the Abu Dhabi officiating shambles last year, the FIA tweaked F1’s timing systems to automate the procedure of letting lapped cars overtake and join the queue during safety cars. That all seems sensible, but an unexpected problem occurred with this system in Brazil.

    Tsunoda ended up not able to unlap himself as technically he already had when he pitted at the end of the first safety car lap following Norris’s late stoppage, from behind Russell at the head of the queue. By arriving at the first safety car line first and then being able to run at full speed through the pit entry, Tsunoda briefly unlapped himself getting to the control line ahead on his way to take more mediums. This meant, per the automated system, he could not be waved through after rejoining in the snake behind Sainz, as Alex Albon and Nicholas Latifi later would do.

    When the order for the Williams pair to overtake the safety car was given, Tsunoda initially passed Sainz, but gave the place back, causing Ferrari’s late-race concern, and then remained lapped until the restart, where he let the rest of the pack pass by. This cemented his last-place finish and came about because an anomaly in the automated system meant he could not be ordered to pass by as, technically, he had already done so.

    While the pitlane entry layout in Brazil was a factor, the FIA will assess how to tweak the automated system “at future Sporting Advisory Committees as part of the normal review procedures”, per a governing body statement.
     
  8. werewolf

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    #433 werewolf, Nov 14, 2022
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    This scenario ^^^^ was unexpected and unanticipated, by the geniuses who developed the wonderful, new automated unlapping system??

    What a bunch of clowns. My Carrera slot car system is smarter than this (able to recognize pit lane entries during a safety car interval for what they are) :rolleyes:

    Someone needs to be fired. Mercedes was clearly and unfairly gifted the win yesterday.
     
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  9. gh0st0

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  10. absostone

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    and so sank RB rip
     
  11. petrol_junkie

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    #436 petrol_junkie, Nov 14, 2022
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  12. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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  13. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    I do find it pretty funny how the world media/fans are in complete uproar about RBR whilst at the same time happy to write articles excusing Ferrari for not swapping (despite Sainz ignoring team orders when the title was very much on the line in Silverstone) to gain P2 in the championship...

    It's because P2 in the drivers championship is a total non story. There is no FIA payment for it, no advantage to gain whatsoever.
     
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  14. ingegnere

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    At this point, I’m hoping Ferrari lose 2nd place in the constructors championship so they get more wind tunnel time. Those Merc *****s with more WT time than RB and Ferrari is not good. Allied to their scheming ways, they could be hard to beat next year.
     
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  15. ingegnere

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    No harm in asking if it was discussed and Sainz agreed. You don’t ask, you don’t get.

    He didn’t get and he moved on.
     
  16. jpalmito

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    His relationship with Binotto seems deteriorated.
    Elkann won’t let Charles leave the team..
     
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  17. Bas

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    With the steps Merc made, rule changes they pushed through, I'm not surprised if they aren't the team to beat next year.
     
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  18. Bas

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    The one saving grace for Ferrari is that Charles hasn't got anywhere to go.
     
  19. Kimi2007

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    For 1 or 2 seasons. Then he'll look elsewhere if things don't change.
     
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  20. Bas

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    True. They're ****ed after that.
     
  21. furoni

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    I'm not sure if people know the whole story here.
    Prior to the race, there weer talks inside the garage and it was asked to Sainz that in the eventuality that he was running ahead of Charles, even for a podium to let Charles trough. carlos agreed to it. This is the reason why charles made the request, because it was arranged before the race, it didn't came from nowhere, Charles didn't just decided to ask! Now, they didn't told Carlos to gave the position, so i'm ok with him, and i can even understand Ferrari's reluctance in asking, cause Fernando was very close on fresher tyres, but stop saying Charles was asking for something that he didn't deserve or that he shouldn't have asked, he was simply reminding them to keep the agreement made before trhe race, wich i think it's more than fair on his part.
     
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  22. jpalmito

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    Again radio communication should be banned during broadcasting.
    Only for hype and create artificial conflicts on social networks!
     
  23. furoni

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    I'm also hearing from more than one source that Binotto is going to be ousted. It seems Abu Dhabi will be his last race as Ferrari team principle...i sure hope so, if he can't get ride of Rueda and all the other incompetents, than he also must go!
     
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  24. Bas

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    looks like Vasseur is the prime candidate
     
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  25. furoni

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    He's one of the names, also Coletta but i'm not sure since he's ahead of the hypercar program and may not be a good idea to make changes there. I thing Vasseur would be to Charles liking since they have a very good relationship. Precisely one of the thing that might force Ferrari to change Binotto is Charles, because he's very displeased right now, and there are echoes all around the italian press that he might strt looking outside Ferrari, and both the italian media and the Tiffosi are adamant that Charles is the most important thing at Ferrari, so keeping him is the most important.
     
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