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  1. don

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    Jan 7, 2004
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    Hi Marcel, As you know, Pierre De Siebenthal bought my old 275LM #6119 from Filipinetti. Robbie Box told me the story about how Pierre had agreed to sell the car to a Spanish/Portugese gentleman, and arranged to meet him at Zurich Airport with the car on a trailer. The arrangement was that the guy's mother was flying in from Spain with the money for the car, which the customer would then tow back to Spain. Well after waiting at the airport for some time, Pierre decided that no-one was going to come, and went back outside, only to discover that the LM and trailer had gone.
    However in his haste to get out of Switzerland, the thief rolled his Mercedes, the trailer and the LM, which was eventually returned to Pierre. 6119 was dismantled, and Robbie told me that the frame was hanging in the roof of the garage at Lausanne, and the rest of the car was in boxes for a while! Perhaps on one of your visits to Pierre's, you may have seen it? I can't help with dates or any other information now.
    Pierre's sons are still involved with good cars, and have a restoration business in Switzerland, but were too young to remember any of this. Regards, Don Nelson
     
  2. Marcel Massini

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    #77 Marcel Massini, Jan 9, 2010
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    This is 08495, a 330 GT 2+2 Series Two.
    Original exterior color: Celeste 19321 M.
    Original interior color: Bleu 3015.
    Assembly sequence #812.
    Original destination Mr. Giannoni in Perugia, Italy, but changed before delivery and INSTEAD delivered new to official Swiss dealer Automobile Peter Monteverdi AG, Binningen-Basel.

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  3. Marcel Massini

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    #78 Marcel Massini, Jan 9, 2010
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    Sure I know! The man was Pardo Bonisette Delgado born in Algeria 15 May 1918 but resident in Portugal. That was in 1968.

    Marcel Massini
     
  4. ftsiko

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    The 166MM Berlinetta Touring Le Mans (#0048M) photo is missing, do you have pictures from that car and some informations?
     
  5. Marcel Massini

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    #80 Marcel Massini, Jan 9, 2010
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    Interesting 1st post by new member..............
    Not missing at all..............see photo #3 in post #65.
    See also post #34.

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  6. tomgt

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    Check the thread on 0026M.....maybe you find this interesting too
     
  7. Marcel Massini

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    #82 Marcel Massini, Jan 9, 2010
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    I don't know the S/N of the red 330 GT 2+2 Series One on the left, but the 250 GT Coupé Pinin Farina on the right is 0975 GT. This same 250 GT Coupé can also be seen on the right side of photo #2 in post #65, next to the 206 Dino GT #00172.

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  8. Enzo Anselmo Ferrari

    Enzo Anselmo Ferrari Formula Junior

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    Does a place like this still exist today?
    It's my dream, find a wreck and restore it!
    But I'm just 16, so only my father could do this! :p
     
  9. Randy Forbes

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    Thank you again; I would never have guessed that!
     
  10. Tom Roland

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    Why not a story with these photos? Would be a stunning change from so many soothing reports on Pebble Beach or Cavallino Classic. It would also give some real information to Classiche. At last!
     
  11. Marcel Massini

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    #86 Marcel Massini, Jan 10, 2010
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    The black-white photo shows a 330 GT 2+2 in the right corner (foreground), in the back is 0048 M. The color photo shows a French registered 330 GT 2+2 Series One. Chassis number unknown. Besides all the Ferraris I saw on this scrapyard also other makes such as Lamborghini Miura, Panther De Ville, Maserati Khamsin, Ghibli, Merak and Mexico, several Mercedes 600 short and long wheelbase (Pullman), Mini Coopers, Triumph TR4 and TR5, Chevrolet Corvair, De Tomaso Mangusta and De Tomaso Pantera, at least two Rolls-Royce Phantoms, several Jaguar E, MGB GT, all sorts of Alfa Romeos, AC Cobras, BMW 3.0 CSi, Lancia Flaminia and Fulvia HF, Mercedes 280 S Coupé, 300 SL Gullwings, Chevrolet Camaros, Fiat Dino Spiders and Coupés, Aston Martin DB 2/4, Lamborghini Jarama and Islero, Ford Mustang, and on and on.

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  12. GIOTTO

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  13. Ferrari-Sammler

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    is that a Superfast??

    MM have you more Detail for this Chassi
     
  14. Marcel Massini

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    1753 GT is a 250 GT Cabriolet Series II.

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  15. kare

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    #90 kare, Jan 10, 2010
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    Marcel, I presume you don't know the serial number of that trashy GTE hulk. Do your originals - or do you have other photos that would - show the dashboard set-up (series 1 or series 2)?

    Do you have any further info on this car? Do you remember the color? Swiss sticker tells it has some Swiss history of course...

    Best wishes, Kare
     
  16. Marcel Massini

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    #91 Marcel Massini, Jan 10, 2010
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    I saw and photographed at least five (5) different 250 GTE 2+2s in various conditions at De Siebenthal's in those years (1978-1982). The hulk was a green one and was totally parted out. It had two decals saying the brand "Elektrion", where the rear license plate was fitted. I don't know the S/N. There was a silver grey one also. Plus a white one with a highly unusual exterior rear view mirror (I posted a photo of that one). There were also at least two different 250 GTEs in darkblue, one with a tan interior and yellow fog lamps (France) and a darkblue one with black interior with the mirror on the right front fender.

    There were also at least four different 330 GT 2+2s, both Series. Plus a 250 Lusso, two 275 GTB/4s, several 365 GT 2+2 (Queen Mothers), 365 GT4 Berlinetta Boxer, etc.

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  17. Christian.Fr

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    Etonnant de voir comment une casse peut varier d'un pays à un autre, ici en Suisse en trouve une mine d’or...-finalemment, cela ne devrait pas nous surprendre-
    je n ose pas imaginer à Dubaï ou en Arabie saoudite.
     
  18. buurman

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    #93 buurman, Jan 10, 2010
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    Something about 0975GT,
    in 1986 I was searching for a replacement inside plug engine
    I didnt have much knowledge then about 250GT.
    the only B/W pic I could find in an old shoebox is of the motor number on the distribution cover.
    I didnot buy it because I had never seen a motor number surround line/cirkel stammend
    The number 7 seems to me restambed too .
    Asking was about 8-9K DM only for the engine.
    Here two very bad quality pics of a pic.
    Sorry for Quality
    A silver replacement body stand next to the chassis.
    the car was compleetly reconstructed on a very high level.
    So a parted PF out give a body transfusion.I think.
    I was never interested in Chasis Numbers.
    so thats all I have.

    C.
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  19. Marcel Massini

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    #94 Marcel Massini, Jan 10, 2010
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    This is the resurrected 0975 GT at the 2002 Montreux Grand Prix in Switzerland. It has a re-stamped engine. Owner is a German insurance broker.

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  20. buurman

    buurman Formula Junior

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    The fresh engine only managed a few 1000 KM.
    I was redone compleety at Methusalem company in Köln ( Mr M .Linke).

    C.
     
  21. buurman

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    The car drove several years in Berlin.

    registration : B-FX 250H ( plaque de police ).

    Was for sale last summer 2009 in a german classic car mag.

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  22. abavai

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    Nov 1, 2003
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    I like very much these pictures??
    do you have any pictures about maserati mistral o ghibli of the sienthebal´s collecction?
     
  23. Marcel Massini

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  24. buurman

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    The last thing I can say about 0975GT is :

    The car owns a second fueldoor/lid on the left side.
    But only one fueltank.
    There a for sure recent pics of this unigue? feature.
    but if it was orded in 1958 I cannot say
    only a educated eye will mentioned this.
    the building sheets could speak .
    the last time I saw this car was for over 20 years.

    C.
     
  25. michael platzer

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    #100 michael platzer, Jan 11, 2010
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    you can see the two fuellids on 975GT in my pic from 2003. i am not sure if this is unique, but the left lid is not usual.
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