German GP: If You Were The FIA....(SPOILER)

if vettel hadn't tried to "schumacher" alonso at the start alonso may have been in front of massa. massa lucked into the lead and clearly was having a problem keeping it. i'd rather see a planned intrateam strategic pass than a red bull ego muckup.

 

You ask a lot of questions... Let me try to answer them one by one:
No, I don't talk to sf on a daily basis, but I've spent the last ten years managing people and have met my bunch of egos. Many times people act in a selfish way instead of the best for the team/company just because of their hurted feelings. It's my job as a manager to avoid that.

The owner of the team can have a first driver and a second one. They can let them fight or have a global strategy to maximize their score. Sometimes the people in charge have to bet on one of them to be able to win both championships. Sometimes that's fair for the drivers and sometimes not, and they can change team if feel like it and have other opportunities. I think that showing your emotions against your bosses or your team in public is wrong, be it FM, FA or whoever.

About race fixing, well... If you're uncomfortable with that, it's better to find a series without teams. You're not going to find a competitive place with stakes so high where teams don't try to leverage all their assets to arrive to their target. It'd be much better for all to remove the ban concerning team orders or to let only one car per team. Otherwise, as i said before, there will be loopholes to find or cheats to do.

 

It's the only thing that matters.

The rules don't say "teams can't tell drivers what to do". The rule says "team orders that affect the result of a race are forbidden" (paraphrasing).

There is a BIG difference between a driver not giving his teammate a hard time and telling a driver to pull over and cede a rightfully earned position to their teammate.

You want to draw a parallel between Heikki and Lewis back then and Alonso and Massa last weekend. They are very different situations. There have been many times during the race commentary where they will talk about how easy a driver will make it for their teammate to pass. Heikki was way off Lewis' pace and elected not to race him very hard - radio transmissions are over the air, so if Heikki had been ordered to move over, we'd have heard it. We'd have heard about it from Heikki as well. It was really no different than when Massa was much faster than Kimi during once race (I forget which one - NOT the one where Kimi moved over to give the win to Massa, but a race where Massa was on a better pace and Kimi let him pass easily then ran interference for Hamilton).

But telling a driver who probably would have won the race to pull over and let their teammate by is a different thing entirely. Proven by Massa and Alonso's body language. Proven by the fine and the WMSC investigation. Proven by the outspoken criticism by virtually ALL of the other teams and the vast majority of fans. And proven by the rules - because it most certainly did affect the race result.

There just is no parallel between the two, other than in the minds of those who don't want to acknowledge Ferrari did anything wrong and instead want to point to any other pass or attempted pass by a driver upon his teammate and say "THAT WAS TEAM ORDERS TOO!!!".

 

Remove the microphones and ear pieces from the driver and thus no discussions can happen ... return to pitboards for lap times only.

End of problem.
Pete

 

Team orders are team orders. Heikki simply let LH by just like Massa let Alonso by...or should I say "refrained from giving him a hard time" (as Alonso was obviously much quicker) To try and call LH being let through by Heikki a pass is ridiculous.

By the way, I'm not just blinded here because it involves Ferrari, as you can see I also brought up Ferrari in China in 2008. Personally, I'm fine with either Ferrari and McLaren doing it because I think it is a stupid rule but for those "rules are rules" folks such as yourself, trying to come up with some excuse for McLaren doing the exact same thing is pretty funny. According to the rules, I don't give a crap if Bruno Senna slows down on the last lap and cedes 23rd place to Yamamoto, HRT should be penalized just like Ferrari was here. A rule is a rule, is it not?

There are no stipulations that state "but the rule only applies if the two Ferraris are leading a race and swap positions." Affecting the result of the race is affecting the result of the race, it doesn't matter if it is for 1st, 5th, or 23rd position.

Any logical person can see that the whole reason everyone is up in arms about this is because it involves Alonso. Point, blank, period. Let's just enjoy the WIN!

 

In a business where you can fine a team _one hundred million dollars_ and they don't even think twice about it, there will be team orders if that means being able to win. They can use planes writing in the sky, thought transmission or beta rays, but there's just too much at stake.

The problem was not the team orders, but FM showing he didn't like them in front of the world. Can anyone tell me why did he did that? What could him have won?

 

F1 is a team sport...always has been,always will.

The issue with last Sunday centres on how it was communicated, handled....and who it benefitted (ie FA).

FA is an extremely talented race driver, FM a very competent, well paid, no 2

The FIA was right to punish the "team" (Montezemolo and Domenicali), it does nothing to strengthen the Scuderia's sporting image and reaffirms the need for changes at the Gestione Sportiva, in the car and on the pit wall.

E

 

just ban Brazilians from racing ... they're piss poor at taking orders

Rubens (I love him) was a grump and carried on like a spoilt child in a TEAM sport

Massa (I am on his side) along with Smedley should be shown the door

To highlight to the world that your team needs to have their lead driver win so he can get back in the race is poor form by Smedley, all the others have done it and nothing is said !!

Ferrari should ask the FIA why McLaren are still racing after CHEATING and GOT CAUGHT ??!!!

 

They still can give orders before the race.

 

but will the driver that gives the win away be able to not look like he is sucking on lemons ??

 

In that case followed by Webber, he is piss poor at taking team orders in his half baked attempt at letting Vettel through.

 

KAFA (Know All F*** All )

 

Thought you had me on ignore, liar

You can't help yourself bonehead..

 

Hey moretti, what's with the new avatar?

Looks cool. What is that place? Or did you shrink your car?

 

Tamworth in NSW. The Golden Guitar is their tourist 'thing'.

100s of km of winding hilly roads followed by many km of open high speed sweeping roads enjoyed this week by a dozen or so Ferraris/fchatters.

If we'd been so inclined, he might have seen some very spirited and fast driving, but good law abiding individuals that we are, we sacrificed our fun for the good of the community.

 

I can only afford a model car

Man, you should come out here one day and we'll take you on some incredible roads with no traffic and great visibility, not sure about the scenery, was too busy watching the road here because we have "killers" on the road that speed and do all sorts of criminal acts

 

I was behind a very slow GT-R monster so we never saw the speed limit, Horse had it on cruise control

When the twisties turned up he disappeared and the QV was floundering

 

Aha, thanks.

That goes without saying.

Here the closest we got to that. Somebody stole the rest of the guitar apparently:
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LOL

I'm debating with myself over how to celebrate the next big 0 birthday (2 years away): So far I'm all lined up for Japan and the Suzuka GP, but maybe I should divert South and go to the Australian GP instead. Can't make up my mind. I know no Fchatters from Japan, but I'm afraid to meet the rowdy FChatters from down under face to face. Heck, I'm too afraid to even go into FChat's Australia section (krafty you're a brave man!).

 

brave when he's 10,000 miles away, we're very friendly people until you upset us

plus Oz/Eng have always had a great love/hate relationship .... we love to hate them and they hate loving us

Still, it would take a pom like Mosely to have screwed up F1 to the degree he has, if Aussies were running the show it would be massive engines , skinny tyres and drivers with huge balls and no brains to drive the things

 

Tasman series in Bathurst. Yeah baby! CanAm rules for F1 and throw the regulations out the window.

Mad Max was an imbecile. I'm more hopeful with Todt.

 

Mosely is as German as they come, possibly even more German than that...anyway most definitely not a pom.

 

Sorry but Max is a Brit. His dad was a Fascist supporter before WWII but British.

 

Work with me here. You guys need to learn to read between the lines...I would have thought Ferrari fans would be better at that

Max's Dad would have been the governor of England and his mother and aunt were very very very good friends with Hitler. His parents where married at Goebbels house with Hitler as the guest of honor. His parents where imprisoned in the Tower of London during the war. I know very well who and what mad Max is...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Mosley

 

and the Irish have "always" been great allies of the English