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Got a warning on my number plates

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  1. mhh

    mhh F1 Veteran

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    I was stopped at an RBT today in my M5 and one of the cops warned me to change my non-complying number plates to the standard government issue plates. He said that I'll get an expiation notice if they have a blitz.

    Does anyone know what the fine is in SA for this? Are there demerit points with this offence in SA?

    I'm happy to push my luck with the fine, but I have a clean licence with no points and I'd like to keep it that way.
     
  2. waz356

    waz356 F1 Rookie

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    what type of plates do you have on the beemer Mark? i guess the german plates on the 356 dont comply either.
     
  3. mhh

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    #3 mhh, Jun 12, 2006
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    Here they are. Perfectly legible I would have thought. Trouble is, they are supposed to be historic plates...
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  4. ashsimmonds

    ashsimmonds F1 World Champ

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    i'll ask at werk tomorrow if i remember to find out for sure, but on the website it says this:

    http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/registrations/number_plates/index.asp

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    You may choose between the standard ‘SA - The Festival State’ alpha-numeric plate or, for an extra fee, choose one of the special plates available.

    Only plates made by an approved manufacturer comply with the requirements of the Motor Vehicles Act. The display of non-approved plates incurs the risk of a Traffic Infringement Notice and a fine.
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    so an infringement notice... i don't think they attract points, they're like parking fines and whatnot, they're not offences. but will have to verify that.

    fwiw it's not listed as a demerit in this list: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108018
     
  5. ashsimmonds

    ashsimmonds F1 World Champ

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    just for funsies, some more legislation on number plates in SA: http://www.parliament.sa.gov.au/Catalog/legislation/Regulations/m/1996.126.un.htm


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    12—Carriage of number plates (section 47(1) of the Act)

    For the purposes of section 47(1) of the Act, the following provisions apply to the carriage of number plates:

    (a) a motor vehicle must have attached to it—

    (i) in the case of a motor bike or trailer—one number plate at the rear;

    (ii) in the case of a tractor or agricultural machine—one number plate;

    (iii) in any other case—one number plate at the front and one number plate at the rear,

    such that—

    (iv) the bottom edge of the plate is not less than 30 centimetres above the level of the ground and in such a position that every figure and letter of the registered number is upright; and

    (v) —

    (A) in the case of a plate placed on the front of the vehicle—the whole of the plate is visible from the front; and

    (B) in the case of a plate placed on the rear of a vehicle—the whole of the plate is visible from the rear; and

    (b) every letter and figure on a number plate must be—

    (i) clearly visible in daylight to a person standing on the same plane as the vehicle at any point not less than 3 metres or more than 18 metres from the plate looking at the plate along an imaginary line approximately at right angles to the plate; and

    (ii) legible from left to right on a plane level with the ground; and

    (iii) clean and legible at all times; and

    (c) a number plate must be rectangular.





    13—Exemption from duty to carry number plates

    A person who drives a motor vehicle, the front and rear of which is marked with the number allotted to the vehicle under the Act (the registered number), is exempt from the operation of section 47(1) of the Act if—

    (a) the registered number was allotted before 1 July 1996; and

    (b) the registered number was marked on the vehicle before 1 July 1996; and

    (c) number plates bearing the registered number and the slogan "SA • The Festival State" have never been obtained for the vehicle; and

    (d) the vehicle is registered in the name of the person who was, immediately prior to 1 July 1996, recorded on the register of motor vehicles as the owner of the vehicle; and

    (e) there is no agreement in force under section 47A of the Act between the Registrar and the registered owner of the vehicle in relation to the registered number; and

    (f) every letter and figure of the registered number marked on the vehicle is—

    (i) clearly visible in daylight to a person standing on the same plane as the vehicle at any point not less than 3 metres or more than 18 metres from the portion of the vehicle on which the number is marked looking at the number along an imaginary line approximately at right angles to the number; and

    (ii) legible from left to right on a plane level with the ground; and

    (iii) clean and legible at all times.
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  6. mhh

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    Thanks Ash.

    One solution is to put the proper plates on for a week or two, and switch back again to the ones I've got on now. That should be enough time for the miserable ##### I met at the RBT to get promoted out of Traffic. With his attitude, he'll go a long way in the SAPD.
     
  7. ashsimmonds

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    and more... pay particular notice to the bit about "duty" applicable to number plates, no mention of points...


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    Division 8—Numbers and number plates

    46—Allotment of number on registration

    (1) On registering a motor vehicle under this Act, the Registrar must allot a number to the vehicle.

    (2) The Registrar may, at any time, vary or amend the number allotted to a vehicle under subsection (1).







    47—Duty to carry number plates

    (1) A person must not drive a motor vehicle, or cause a motor vehicle to stand, on a road unless a number plate or plates—

    (a) that conform to the specifications and design prescribed for number plates of a class established under section 47A; and

    (b) that bear the number allotted to the vehicle under this Act,

    are attached to the vehicle in accordance with the regulations.

    Maximum penalty: $250.

    (1a) If a motor vehicle is driven, or caused to stand, on a road in contravention of subsection (1), the registered owner and the registered operator of the vehicle are each guilty of an offence.

    Maximum penalty: $250.

    (1b) It is a defence to a charge of an offence against subsection (1a) to prove that, in consequence of some unlawful act, the vehicle was not in the possession or control of the defendant at the time it was driven or left standing on the road.

    (2) This section does not apply to—

    (a) a motor vehicle exempted from registration under this Act; or

    (b) a motor vehicle in relation to which a permit has been issued under this Act permitting the vehicle to be driven without registration; or

    (ba) a registered motor vehicle during the period from receipt by the Registrar of a duly made application for a number plate or plates for the vehicle and the end of the day following the day on which the number plate or plates are delivered to the applicant; or

    (c) a person who fails to comply with this section by reason of damage caused by a collision or other road accident where the person has had no reasonable opportunity to repair the damage.







    47A—Classes of number plates and agreements for the allotment of numbers

    (1) The Registrar may, by notice published in the Gazette, establish different classes of number plates and prescribe the specifications and design to which number plates of each class must conform.

    (2) The Registrar may, in a notice under subsection (1), declare that number plates of a particular class may not be attached to a motor vehicle except pursuant to an agreement under subsection (4).

    (3) The Registrar may, by notice published in the Gazette, vary or revoke a notice under this section.

    (4) The Registrar may enter into an agreement with a person providing for any of the following matters:

    (a) the right to be allotted a particular number in respect of a vehicle registered or to be registered in the person's name as an owner;

    (b) the right to attach number plates of a particular class to a vehicle registered or to be registered in the person's name as an owner;

    (c) the assignment of rights conferred under the agreement;

    (d) such other matters relating to registration numbers or number plates as the Registrar thinks fit.

    (5) An agreement may be made under subsection (4)—

    (a) upon payment to the Registrar of such fee as the Registrar may require; or

    (b) by the sale by public auction of rights of the kind referred to in that subsection.

    (6) This section does not affect the duty of the Registrar, in the absence of any agreement under subsection (4), to allot a number to a vehicle upon registering the vehicle.

    (7) A person must not drive a motor vehicle on a road, being a vehicle to which a number plate or plates of a class in respect of which a declaration has been made under subsection (2) are attached, unless a registered owner of the vehicle acquired the right to attach the number plate or plates to the vehicle pursuant to an agreement under subsection (4).

    Maximum penalty: $250.







    47B—Issue of number plates

    (1) The registered owner or the registered operator of a motor vehicle to which a number has been allotted under this Act may obtain a number plate bearing that number—

    (a) upon payment of the prescribed fee, from the Registrar; or

    (b) from a person approved by the Minister to sell or supply number plates.

    (2) No person other than a person approved by the Minister may sell or supply number plates of a kind required to be attached to motor vehicles under this Act.

    Maximum penalty: $250.











    47C—Return or recovery of number plates

    (1) The Registrar must, before cancelling the registration of a motor vehicle on application by the registered owner or the registered operator, be satisfied in respect of any number plates issued for the vehicle that—

    (a) the plates have been returned to the Registrar; or

    (b) the plates cannot be returned because they have been destroyed or stolen; or

    (c) there is a proper reason why the applicant should be allowed to retain the plates.

    (2) The Registrar must, if the registration of a motor vehicle—

    (a) has expired and has not been renewed within the period allowed for renewal; or

    (b) has become void or has been found to have been void; or

    (c) is cancelled otherwise than on application as referred to in subsection (1),

    by notice in writing served on the owner of the vehicle or person who is or was last registered as the owner or the operator of the vehicle, direct the person to return, within the period specified in the notice, any number plates of a specified kind issued for the vehicle.

    (3) A person must not fail, without reasonable excuse, to comply with a direction under subsection (2).

    Maximum penalty: $250.

    (4) If the registration of a motor vehicle—

    (a) has expired and has not been renewed within the period allowed for renewal; or

    (b) has become void or has been found to have been void; or

    (c) has been cancelled,

    the Registrar, a member of the police force or an inspector may seize any number plates (other than number plates of a prescribed kind) issued for the vehicle and, for the purpose of so doing, may, at any reasonable time, enter and remain on any land or premises.

    (5) A person must not hinder another person who is acting in the exercise of a power conferred by subsection (4).

    Maximum penalty: $250.





    47D—Offences in connection with number plates

    (1) A person must not—

    (a) drive on a road, or cause to stand on a road, a motor vehicle to which is attached a number plate that bears a number other than a number allotted to the vehicle; or

    (b) drive on a road, or cause to stand on a road, a motor vehicle to which is attached a number plate that has been altered, defaced, mutilated or added to; or

    (c) drive on a road, or cause to stand on a road, a motor vehicle to which is attached a colourable imitation of a number plate; or

    (d) without lawful excuse, have in his or her possession a number plate or an article resembling a number plate that is liable to be mistaken for a number plate.

    Maximum penalty: $250.

    (2) If a motor vehicle is driven, or caused to stand, on a road in contravention of subsection (1)(a), (b) or (c), the registered owner and the registered operator of the vehicle are each guilty of an offence.

    Maximum penalty: $250.

    (3) It is a defence to a charge of an offence against subsection (2) to prove that, in consequence of some unlawful act, the vehicle was not in the possession or control of the defendant at the time it was driven or left standing on the road.

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  8. PAP 348

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    Obviously that cop has nothing better to do. :(
     
  9. mhh

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  10. ashsimmonds

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    makes you remember how pathetic most laws are... petty stuff that CAN be judged black or white (so-to-speak :p ) will have a law attached. there's obviously no reason whatsoever to have a problem with that plate, except that someone made a rule about it once upon a time.

    what isn't forbidden, is mandatory.
     
  11. SPEEDCORE

    SPEEDCORE Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Well technically its 88.888 not 88888 which would be a different plate???!?!!?!??!! I dunno afew ppl do that here with O looking like 0 :p
     
  12. 360C

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    No wonder the average copper has NO idea what the law actually says.

    Same thing goes for permits and trade plates. You get a different set of rules from each one!
     
  13. goober

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    Mark,
    i run Italian plates on my M3, i run french (vic) plates on my Renault 5 Turbo, i run a trade plate on the Gt4, the TR has the wrong plate (non complying)

    if u cant go to jail who gives a rats toss, plus i have a road train license hence its an australian lic not SA, what i'm saying is that i can get into strife Aust wide, but i wouldnt worry about, waz is running full nazi plates on the 356, and the cop's just jealous
     
  14. scud

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    as true as i am sure it is , i find it hard to believe . you must be real arsey or your only release is in the NT .
     
  15. goober

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    anal retention comes to mind, hahahahahahaha

    but then thats Adelaide or SA, the pigs worry about a number plate, but the bloke in a raincoat stuffing the bejesus out some kid goes overlooked.....................go figure
     
  16. waz356

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    #16 waz356, Jun 12, 2006
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    here's the correct period plates on the rensc
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  17. FFOUR

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    how is your demerit point situation looking?

    (for the record I've lost/gained 5pts)
     
  18. scud

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    3 points left till aug 08 , so in summary not crash hot
     
  19. FFOUR

    FFOUR F1 Veteran

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    well after meeting you and seeing you drive that doesn't suprise me. ;)
     
  20. mhh

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    #20 mhh, Jun 12, 2006
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    I agree, but look at the sticker. I figured I was doing them a favour - getting the plate right which they couldn't do. :p
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  21. ferrarifixer

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    Haha, that's a clincher....
     
  22. mhh

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    I agree I've been lucky. I don't speed in town as there are camera cars everywhere, and I'm careful where I put my foot down in the country. But mostly, I've been lucky.

    Mind you, I've been where you are too. I remember how fast the point come when they start coming. I had a 3 month driving holiday on demerits when I was younger. And I spent 2 years on 11 points once...
     
  23. moretti

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    this numberplate business is absolute BS !!

    Quite a few of the Ferrari owners I know run a car with no front plate and cops in Qld have never said a word but other dickhead states (like NSW) have anally retentive cops who have nothing better to do than nail guys over a pathetic numberplate!!

    Get a life you(cop) tossers and put some of this stuff into perspective, they'd prefer to book us fro a numberplate problem than be out there ensuring bad driving habits were curbed.

    I get a $300 fine and 3 demerit points for a plate that is missing but some idiot that ran a red light and nearly took out me and two other people goes merrily on his way , AND this happened in front of a cop at the lights!!

    In your case Mark I'd be a little peeved as your plate is clearly visible, legible and positioned so the only grievance the cop has is that the "style"is wrong

    WHAT A WANKER, you guys have some real arseholes for coppers who have no compunction in breaking the law themselves :

    - '88 GP in Sadelaide
    - coming out of the GP waiting for lights to change
    - 2 young cops in traffic decide they're not going to wait for another set of lights to get across the intersection drive across and block traffic
    - they are not in an emergency, they are just flaunting the law
    - traffic is now locked up and they've caused it!!
    - I get everyone to start blowing their horns in protest (I'm walking remember :))
    - cops not pleased with me (bad luck - don't break the laws you enforce!)
    - they later find me in the CBD (same cops) and threaten to lock me up
    - I refuse to apologise to them
    - they eventually agree that what they did was wrong and magnanimously let me go on my way :rolleyes:

    your cops in SA :rolleyes:
     
  24. goober

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    it is well known that if anyone makes love to a cop/pig, then they are too lazy to masturbate
     
  25. VeloceManiac

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    Dont get me started on the cops, picking on motorists because theyre too wussy to do somthing about the bikies and their drug rings.

    Back on topic

    I wouldnt worry about it mark, you could outrun the police helicopter in that thing any way.
    All they are doing is trying to fill their time and Get their ego going. damn power freaks *shakes head*

    and get a closed garage you silly goose.
     

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