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  1. DoubleD33

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    Can someone please educate me on what these suffixes mean in the vintage market?

    I don’t venture into this area of the site too often, mainly due to my ignorance on the early production cars.

    I would like to own a early V12 one day.

    Pebble Beach in 2009 put the taste in my mouth that has not left.
     
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    #2 miurasv, Dec 21, 2020
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    B = Berlinetta.
    C = Coupe or Competzione.
    O = Omologato which is Italian for Homologated. In vintage it is in reference to the 250 GTO.
    E = Nobody knows for sure what the E in the 250 GTE 2+2 is. Could be Europa or just E?

    Some others are:

    MM = Mille Miglia
    TdF = Tour de France.
    S = Sport or Spyder.
    LWB = Long Wheelbase.
    SWB = Short Wheelbase.
    L = Lusso.
    LM = Le Mans.
    NART = North American Racing Team.
    M = Monza or Modificato.
    TR = Testa Rossa.
    MD = Mondial.
    TRC = Testa Rossa Appendix C.
    MDTR = Mondial Testa Rossa.
    SA = Superamerica.
    SF = Superfast.
     
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    Thank you for this.
     
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    #4 miurasv, Dec 21, 2020
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    TF = Targa Florio.
    PF = Pinin Farina.
    4 = 4 Cam (DOHC).
    BB = Berlinetta Boxer or according to Ing. Mauro Forghieri BB = Berlinetta Bialbero (DOHC).
     
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    P = Prototypo
    Pb = Prototypo Boxer
    Gts = gran turismo spider
    TB/TS/T= Transversale Berlinetta/ spider
     
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  8. DoubleD33

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    There are a lot of suffixes I have not heard of.

    Did the progression of the models follow in numerical order?

    Such as 250 then 275 then 330 then 365?

    Does /4 mean 4 cam or 4 seater?

    Lastly if I walked into a F car dealer (assuming there was a network) in say 1967 what models were available to purchase?
     
  9. turbo-joe

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    those always is the displacement on each cylinder when you have a 12 cylinder engine

    4 means 4 cams, the 4 seater have been a 2+2
     
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    #8 miurasv, Dec 22, 2020
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    /4 means 4 cam. See post #4. Generally 2+2 = 4 seater. However a 365 GTC/4 with the 4 meaning 4 cam does not have a 2+2 suffix but has 2 small seats in the rear.

    See link here and scroll down the page and click on the cars for the details which will help you.
     
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    Thank you for the tutorial Prof. Robertson;)
     
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    I believe it stands for Enigma.
     
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    According to the new GTE book it has an E because that is the next letter after D.
    Read the book to find out the details.
     
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    I not have the book to read, but if so as you write then why I never heard about a 250 GTA, or 250 GTC or 250 GTD?
     
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    Hint: You have to be in the right frame of mind.
     
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    what you mean with this? can not understand, sorry
     
  18. Lowell

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    I can also engineer the answer.

    Tipo 128

    3 x Weber 36 DCL/3 Carburetors 240 HP / 179 KW @ 7000 rpm

    1954 250 GT Coupé 128 1956 250 GT (Boano) 128B, 128C 1956 250 GT Berlinetta (LWB - TdF) 128, 128B, 128C, 128D, 128DF 1957 250 GT (Ellena) 128C 1957 250 GT Cabriolet 128C, 128F 1957 250 GT California (LWB) 128C, 128D, 128DF, 128F 1958 250 GT Coupé (Pinin Farina) 128C, 128D, 128F 1960 250 GT California (SWB) 128DF, 128F 1960 250 GT/E (2+2) 128F, 128E/63
     
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  19. miurasv

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    P = Posteriore.
     
  20. Lowell

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    I have no idea why this word for "rear" was posted.

    At least my second explanation for why an "E" was clear. Particularly if you know that 128F engines were produced before 128E engines.

    Read the new GTE book for more detail.
     
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    "P" is for "Posteriore" = rear, referring to the position of the engine, not Prototype. There were many front engined Ferraris that ran in the Prototype class which do not have "P" in their model title.
     
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    Thanks.
     
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    How about extending this thread to words?

    What does "inter" stand for?
     
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    Fun thread thank you for posting.
     
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    E - Esportare = Export?
     
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    Wikipedia says "Inter" was chosen to commemorate Scuderia Inter victories with the 166 S models (for instance, the 1948 Targa Florio).
     
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    Export, not Esportare.

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