Hamiltons performances as dominant as senna according to David coulthard

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Why let the facts get in the way of a good piss on anyone who isn't Elton?

I used to like Horner too; Seemed like a decent chap and "respected" team principal. But if those quotes are accurate, and given the pissing contest he's got into with Renault I'm rapidly loosing respect for him & the entire team.

Seems to forget Seb brought him 4 titles real quick - He should be saying what a great driver he is and wishing him well for the future, blah, blah.

One should *never* burn bridges in F1; It's a very small world.

Cheers,
Ian

 

Entirely agreed.

 

Christian Marko and Dieter seem like very vengeful childish like characters

Especially when Marko says MB will regret not giving them an engine - I mean WTF

 

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There's many good reasons he was christened "Crazy Marko". Problem is, it appears Mr M listens to him.....

Cheers,
Ian

 

Cuz Mr M is no different IMO - Their collective B****ing put Renault F1 back in business

 

That coming from you, the guy that repeats the same single argument about ten times every thread...Or excuses (according to your buddy toil) like Hamilton having "Nicole-problems" when being beaten by Button?
And you Hamilton guys are obviously the masters of excuses as soon as he does not win so no need to be arrogant over here...

 

Oh, wait a minute...Was it Hamilton who said that Hungary this year was his worst race and he had to appologize to his team and you guys (you and toil) came up that it was not a bad race at all because he was quick? But we are still in denial?

 

LOLOLO, these folks are first class comediants, nothing like a good laugh between races to keep us happy...

 

The same boss who was upset that their 4 x WDC and marquee driver was leaving and taking all their inside secrets with him?

If Ricciardo decided to leave, he would say that Kvyat scared him off or that an impending Verstappen contract scared him off.

These guys are PR masters, they lie through their teeth all day for a living.

Bosses blow smoke up the a$$ of all their drivers until they decide to leave. Then all of a sudden they are 'over-rated'.

 

Are you making up stuff again?
Please show me one SINGLE post where I used Nicole as an excuse or that I said Hamilton had a good race in Hungary.

I have never seen more excuses in F1 than what we had for Vettel in 2014.
If you guys stick to 1 or 2 like the "Nicole" excuse maybe your excuse for Vettel would actually hold some weight.

I'm sure I will miss a few but here we go:

1. Lost interest after 4 straight championships
2. New baby
3. Schumacher's accident
4. Reliability of car
5. Redbull preferential treatment
6. Ferrari contract on his mind
7. Less downforce
8. Torquier engines

Don't forget all the Daniel bashing. Like his victories don't mean anything because there were due to MB reliability. If Vettel managed to get ahead of Daniel then he would have taken advantage of those problems.
What happened in qualifying? Isn't Vettel the pole king?
Daniel also pulled of some passes that Vettel can only dream about.

 

lol.....your vettel bashing to make lewis look like a god is transparent.

my poll shows that you've been unsuccessful...no one's falling for it.

Looks like the quiet majority have spoken.

 

You are right, that was toil, you are more busy telling us how crap Vettel is every second post...As if this makes Hamilton better if you talk down Vettel...
In contrary: Vettel overtook Hamilton in the rain 2008 in Brazil...Vettel was driving a Toro Rosso and Hamilton a far better car, the McLaren. Although this ment that Hamilton lost the WDC at this moment there was no way he could hold Vettel. Now tell me how this is possible when Hamilton is that great and Vettel is that bad?
Furthermore you think that "beating" Button is a great achievement because Button is a WDC by chance sitting in a Brawn GP one year whereas Ricciardo is a nobody because he did not...And this is all you have as an argument but still you think you need to repeat this every second post and then you ask others whether the make stuff up again...Well done.

 

You should start another one with Vettel

Those poles are useless. What I would be interested in (of course it can never happen) is to have three 100% identical cars with Alonso, Vettel, Hamilton.
They have 20 races. Each person needs to put $5k-$10k on the line.

The point is, it's easy to put your little opinion according to your like/dislike for the driver, but if there was actual money on the line things would look completely different. All of a sudden logic would kick in.

 

the answer would be the same. that's what you seem to have trouble comprehending.

However, using toils argument, he's better than Hamilton because he has more WDCs, and statistics prove everything.

Also Vettel won a race in a very average car....Lewis has only driven for top teams.

 

I don't have problems comprehending. That is why I told you to start one.
You might get a few more votes since Vettel is driving for Ferrari.
It would have been more fair to ask when Vettel was still driving for the enemy.

Yes, I'm familiar with the famous Monza 2008. It's like the only race that a Vettel fanboy can bring up. I wish he did it 2-3 times so we know it wasn't a fluke in mixed conditions.

 

I'm not a fanboi....if there was a poll I wouldn't say Vettel is the best driver on the grid either....However, he's certainly more successful than any other driver on the grid at the moment.

BUT...like with Lewis, that's right time, right place.

 

Agreed, Jenson did out score Lewis during their time as teammates. Lewis finished ahead Jenson only 2 out of the 3 years they were teammates, but the gap that Jenson had in the year finished ahead of Lewis (43 points)was much greater than any of the gaps Lewis had on Jenson (26 and 2 points). I think one would be hard pressed to say that Lewis dominated Jenson, rather he barely finished ahead of him. It is hard to rank Jenson as a GOAT, so the fact the Lewis had so much trouble with Jenson does not reflect that well on Lewis.

 

and last year, it went down to the last race with Nico too.

This year is a bit more decisive though...which doesn't say much because many don't even rate Nico.

 

The same Button who had his hands full with Barrichello at times and was out classed by Fisichella.

The same Fisichella that got spanked by Alonso. The same Alonso that got matched by a rookie. Etc etc etc

These Triangle Theories do not work in sports.

Just think Ali-Frazier-Foreman

 

Good perspective

 

1.) He overtook Hamilton in Brazil as well in a Toro Rosso, so I doubt it is a fluke
2.) Even if this is the only race he won in a inferior car that is already one race more than Hamilton did.
3.) Why are you constantly trying to convince us that Hamilton is better than Vettel even if this has nothing to do with the thread? Even if Hamilton would be better than Vettel (which most over here doubt) then he would not be like Senna and this was originally the theme of the thread.
4.) You say Vettel fanbois can only come up with one race and forget that he won 4 WDC but at the same time your only argument is a weak 2014 and you bring that up on and on and on like a broken record. Yes Vettel had a weak 2014 but that says absolutely nothing about the years before or after. You do not want Hamilton only to be judged by 2011 either.
5.) You call others Vettel fanboys although people do not try to convince you that Vettel is better, just that Hamilton is not either.

As mentioned before: you and toil are obsessed about statistics if they suit your needs against drivers from the past. But as these stats do not really help against Vettel you have to construct arguments. Once you "found" them you repeat them on and on like they are the only truth...You do not even care about the replies, you just put up the same stuff again the next page or thread. So most likely no matter what others say yo will come up with 2014 hundred times again like you have to convince yourself...

 

I don't think Vettel needs to prove anything to the likes of us, he has four world championships to his name and more wins of all types in F1 than elton. We don't need a poll to see who's most popular.

 

Another poll?

"Is Lewis Hamilton your favorite current F1 driver?" Yes or no

 

I wouldn't, it doesn't prove much except give these guys the powder for a fight as it will be proof everyone hates elton or something

 

Very well stated!