Very cryptic , i hope thats a possible yes, although i read it as, you are planning a new Cizeta car in actual life, not model life, i think i am reading that wrong though?? Well ill keep hoping for that 1/18!
surely by now some of such details are a bit beyond the point of being a trade secret 20 years later?
When Ferrari annonce a new car like the Enzo, 300 or 400 cars are sold the same day. The V16 is just 2 Ferrari 308 put together, everybody known this. Why you didn t put 2 GM engine together if Ferrari is not the supreme choice. If the Cizeta had a real Ferrari engine from the begining at a a real realistic price and not to be a copy of a Diablo, Cizeta would have sold a lots. Of course, my opinion. P.S I was the importator of Pagani France when the bring the Zonda in the market
Olcyzk, Ferrari have spent over 60 years both on and off the track to build their prestige. There is worldwide brand recognition... so much so, there are names given to the people who exclusively want a Ferrari over any other competitive product. So, the V16 is just two Ferrari V8's attached with a common crank? It's a lot different then that; if Claudio is willing to describe. For one, it's a single block unique in many ways all the way up, and down. Not to mention the power levels are higher than a pair of Ferrari V8's put together. With your logic, the Veyron is just a pair of Audi V8's, and nothing special other then that it's the most expensive new car one can buy. Cizeta failed, like many startups. There are likely a host of reasons, but I'd say few of them if any are conveyed by you.
Mr. olcyzk.... First: Technically welding two engines together is unworkable! Second: the Cizeta is indeed a full casting block right from the fist prototype! Third: even if I wonted to use a Ferrari engine, which it would be unethical, when you building your own car, but Ferrari will never sale to anyone engines, except the F1! Fourth: you must be ignorant in this field or you are a simple super MORON!
this statement shows how ignorant you are Marcello Gandini was designing the Cizeta car BEFORE Chrysler asked permission for using it's styling cues for the then upcoming yet unnamed Countach replacement . correct me if I'm wrong .
There was also the "American Diablo" and the "Italian Diablo" Modeling the Italian version proved VERY difficult; particularly in the rear. I should be receiving some interesting photos of that very soon from somebody in on the project.
Gandini's FIRST iteration of the Cizeta was designed before he designed the Super Countach (Diablo code name) for Chrysler. That Cizeta design was rejected by Claudio, thankfully, because it was bland looking. However, Gandini designed the revised Cizeta not long after he submitted his designs to Chrysler for the Diablo. So you are correct that he started work for Claudio before Chrysler, but the revised Cizeta design (including full 1:1 scale mock ups) came after the Diablo renditions which were also 1:1 full scale mock ups(prior to Chrysler revising them) . I have photos of all renditions.
I-am-very-interested-in-the-Diablo's-'design-iterations'-which-Brian-and-Isaac-are-telling-about;-I-am-asking-both-to-please-let-us-see-what-they-have-,so-that-we-too-understand-the-story-behind-the-Diablo-development. thanks, david
Unfortunately I don't want to regurgitate what I've got ready for my book, not to mention I'm covering the Cizeta, not the Diablo development. However, I will post this one image - it excludes the initial Cizeta design. First image is the first iteration of Countach replacement. Second image is the second iteration of Countach replacement. Third is what the Diablo ended up looking like. Fourth is the Cizeta final design. Image Unavailable, Please Login
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Assuming I can have permission to post them... There may be a legal reason not to; but enough time should have passed by now. I don't have access to them yet.
As everybody see, the Cizeta is just a remake of a old design that Lambo refuse. Even if I think that the Cizeta is a fantastic car and very rare because way too expensive and managed by cowboy . Cizeta is way better than stupid Diablo
Both Gandini proposals for the Diablo and the second -final- proposal for the Cizeta are some of my favourite designs of all time. Their proportions are simply perfect, and that strange beauty Gandini gave them, has never been overcome, in my opinion. I really enjoy every photograph of the Cizeta, because in every angle, in every point of view it still produces fascination to me... But there is also the first desing proposal Gandini made of the Cizeta. A very strange design of which I have only a photograph found on a french forum. Anyone of you could give any info about this car? At least if it still exists? Saludos D. ;-)
Sitting in a warehouse somewhere in Italy. Looks like an Esprit and an Urraco had a baby, and this would have been its offspring.
Ok, thank you. Very happy to know that it still exists. Any detail of the owner or any photo? It had a very special windshield...
Whoever publishes the Cizeta story please consider that the Cizeta is not the first V16 car nor is it the first V16 sports car. The 1931 Miller V16 Speedster that raced Indianapolis is the earliest I can find. Furthermore, since Marmon and Cadillac had predominant V16s, there might be some earlier sports/racing cars. Companies like Auto Union, BRM and Alfa Romeo also made their own V16s. I addressed this issue earlier in the thread, but was it deleted?
Hey guys, I just discovered this thread and have been reading through it. I have been a big fan of the Cizeta for a long time and have always wanted to see one. What happened with the red Cizeta that was seized by the govt? Is it being auctioned, shipped overseas, I hope not destroyed? Are there no Cizeta V16s left in the United States? I apologize if these questions were answered earlier in this thread, it was too much to read through! And BTW, you guys were talking about previous V16 cars - here is a picture I took of the Cadillac V16. Chris Image Unavailable, Please Login
a friend of mine got to see it in person it was told to him that this cas was special ordered with a Ferrari boxer since beginning for desire of first owner... as that this car never had a V16 in and was never completed but all-most interior parts comes with the car is this even close to true? looks strange to me Cizeta built a car with a Ferrari engine...since the V16 was the trademark of this car Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
No it's not true. This is one of two cars delivered to Sultan of Brunei, and afterwards converted by Pininfarina. I have what amounts to a whole chapter about these two cars. Sad indeed.
