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How good Marchionne really is for Ferrari?

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  1. Igor Ound

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    Simple question
     
  2. bberg009

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    Not really, .. for Ferrari shareholders (I am one) he is awsome!!! For Ferrari owners (I am one also), a lot will depend on what he does next with the F1 team (time for Verstappen to replace Raikonnen perhaps), or what new cars he launches next (please no SUVs)....
     
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  3. Igor Ound

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    Seems nobody dislikes him so far... ;)
     
  4. TheMayor

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    Obviously, Sergio is on Fchat and voted for himself. :)
     
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  5. Mitch Alsup

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    Other than not being Enzo or Luca, I really don't see how he is doing much harm.

    But this might be a good time to ask for a manual tranny at some point in the future. Otherwise, I don't really care about Ferrari as a company -- I still care about my F355B.
     
  6. crinoid

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    This is not really a good poll. How can we vote on his overall effect when he is still making it.
     
  7. Igor Ound

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    Are you suggesting we kill him?
     
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  8. cheesey

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    depends on what is being measured... RACE is up over 100% since IPO about 2 years back ... FCAU is closing in on near 200% gain since election last year

    "money talks, 'BS" walks"
     
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  9. G. Pepper

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  10. paulchua

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    Ferrari will be fine. I know there are lots of comparison to Porche. Ferrari would have to increase production 25 fold to match that scale.

    To fully extract performance, all the doo-dads are requirements, not options. There just is too much power in the new cars that most people would be in deep doo-doo without all the electronic aids (including me) on public streets.

    Ferrari has to continue the never-ending arms performance race.

    This fact is not a bad thing; it maintains the value of legacy classic cars that are fun off the track at 10/10ths.

    People keep saying they wish Ferrari would make a 'raw' minimal car. Won't happen because safety requirements now are way more stringent now, which add a lot of weight, structural and bracing. Not to mention Ferrari is committed to all hybrid cars for the fleet, which only increases complexity. A stripper nuevo-Dino ala, a 4C will be hard to charge $300,000 for say a turbo I4.

    There are plenty of 3x8s, 355 if you want a raw, minimalist Ferrari, with fully extractable HP band off the track. They will be a lot better depreciation wise vs. mainstream models too!
     
  11. G. Pepper

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    If they split off the Dino brand, that would not be the case.

    And if you want raw, go for a continuation model of the GT40. A Ferrari - or Dino - is much more sophisticated than that.

    A balance could be struck, if Ferrari wanted to. Personally, I don't think they do.
     
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  12. paulchua

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    While I personally would LOVE a sub-Dino Brand, I do think we'll see the same thing happen in 2020 as in 60s. People will call it the 'faux-Ferrari that you buy cuz you can't afford a real one.' Ultimately, I think it will hurt the brand. Just my $0.02.

    many of the older cars, from my armchair - my opinion is much of the rawness has to do more so with the archaic technological limitations of the time. Modern incarnations of 'raw cars of yore' would weigh more (due to safety concerns) and have a more 'refined' engines just because well, "they don't make em like they used too" - I mean this in a positive sense.

    Modern engines will just be smoother, less raw due to technological advancements, You would almost have to purposely down engineer it to replicate the feeling of the older cars.

    Not saying one is better than the other, different strokes for different folks.
     
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  13. Igor Ound

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    Very inappropriate comment.
     
  15. Formula Uno

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    I wish that he would go and buy himself a few custom Italian suits and throw his sweaters in the garbage....I'm sure that he's making a ton of money.

    As an Italian, I cringe when I see him standing there in his sweater.

    I almost can't believe that Piero Ferrari doesn't tell him so...
     
  16. paulchua

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    Hahaha
     
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  17. bernardo66

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    Indeed, he is a sartorial embarrassment.
     
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  18. crinoid

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    He's Canadian and we're fortunate he's not wearing a Canadian Texido.
     
  19. Valentino Toro

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    The guy is wired differently. He sees the world in numbers, it’s not his fault that he lacks any fashion sense. He couldn’t care less that he walks around in, and sleeps in, the most boring daily uniform imaginable. Therein lies the danger of his diagnosis of megalomania. We can’t ever expect him to change but we can allow him to preserve his delusions of self-esteem and purpose by not criticising his intent to bring Ferraris closer to the mass market. It is best not to attempt modification to Marchionne’s personality disorder lest we risk him going off in a completely opposite direction and dressing like a clown. In effect, that look would be just as ridiculous as his current state of dress and we would all get used to it eventually. But what would be more difficult to get used to would be seeing a Ferrari as often as you see a high end Beemer. Is anybody else out there concerned with what is visibly occurring right before our eyes and ears? Personally, I’m just sitting back watching this like I was watching a theatrical production about an oncoming train derailment and wreck about to happen in the next and final act of his play...
     
  20. italiafan

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    I suspect he wears a sweater to cover up underarm sweat. He might be very self-conscious about it.
     
  21. Rossocorsa1

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    This thread has gone to a new low. Ridiculous and juvenile.
     
  22. italiafan

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    If you are including my comment in your analysis please understand I am being serious. As a Physician I have encountered numerous people terribly embarrassed by this and using clothing to cover it up is not uncommon, sweaters often chosen.
    I am suggesting we "give the guy a break" on his clothing choices and leave it be.
     
  23. Formula Uno

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    I will be wearing my Brioni tomorrow as a silent protest
     
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  24. paulchua

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    Hahaha
     
  25. Valentino Toro

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    Quite agree with you. Any suggestions then on what he should wear that is NOT ridiculous and juvenile? He looks like he’s never bought clothes since his college days.
     
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