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How many Mondials are left?

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  1. Chris Mondi

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    So from the numbers I found, and please correct me if any of these seem off, 6224 mondials were made between 1980-1993. Here’s a question that can probably never be answered accurately.....how many do you guys think are left intact and in driving/restorable condition? And how many are in excellent condition?


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  3. paulchua

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    Great question, I've often wondered this as well. Between totaled from accidents, parting out, and undrivable due to neglect. What would be the real number?

    I would suspect 10-20 percent are no longer with us.

    Just a pure guess.
     
  4. moysiuan

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    I never see any of the original 8's around, so I suspect most are gone, they were the ones that would unlikely be restored, at least historically. I also suspect the t was so usable, probably lots with high milage and costly service that would get deferred, so probably more than average attrition there. I would bet less than half the total made are in service.
     
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    I’d bet more like 30%. Just a guess though.


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    3 less per year on average... in my case :) - but that helps keeping many others on the road!
     
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    It's not scientific by any means, but of the 87 or so 3.2 coupes that came to North America, I have heard of 3 that were totaled or parted out in the last 10 years. Obviously, there may be many more (hoping not) that I do not know about but I do try to take note whenever I hear of one that has driven its last mile.
     
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    From what I can see in the second hand / parts market, about 15 to 20 cars on average are parted out each year.
     
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  10. moysiuan

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    One would think if the remaining running cars were in large numbers then many more would be for sale at any time. Try and find a well maintained example and you are lucky if there are maybe 20 ads around the world at any point in time, with half of them looking like very tired examples. Either there are lots of cars hidden in barns, or there are far fewer out there than people expect.
     
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  11. moysiuan

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    In the UK, there are 127 Mondials registered on the road according to one MOT registration source. The chart shows the data by year.

    According to Wikipedia, there were 540 right hand drive examples of the Mondial manufactured, let's assume 2/3rds of those went to the UK, the balance to Japan, Australia, etc. That would be 361 cars sold in the UK. With the 127 registered on the road, that would mean a survival rate of 35%.

    So it appears in the UK that the survivor rate is quite low. Also confirms my hypothesis that the t's would be the most usable cars hence the higher average mileages, and more on the road consistent with their higher volumes.

    The UK is humid and wet, so rust/electrical faults may have taken more off the road than in eg. US southern markets, suggesting possible higher survival rates on a global basis. On the other hand the UK market cars tend to be well maintained, and the Brit's love their classic cars, so survival rates may well be higher in that market.

    Based on all that, it would appear a reasonable guess that likely considerably less than 50% of the total cars made are out there and roadworthy - the 35% UK proxy seems reasonable. That means globally there would be about 2,000 cars on the road. So still should be some decent Mondials available for reasonable prices for some time to come. If say 5% of those are collectors cars or very low mileage/well maintained/restored examples, that would represent about 100 top condition cars out there. That would seem consistent with what shows in the classified ads, and why finding a pristine Mondial takes some patience and some "know it when you see it " expreience to land a good car for a fair price.
     
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  13. moysiuan

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    Note, this chart got scrambled when uploading, but the data remains accurate.
     
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  15. jtremlett

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    I'm sorry to say that all your numbers are wrong!

    1) The MOT data relies on the model being correctly recorded - which it frequently isn't
    2) The MOT data doesn't tell you whether the car is LHD or RHD, an original UK car or a later import
    3) UK original cars can survive but no longer be in the UK (e.g. in Australia in particular)
    4) There are actually at least 330 Mondials (8, QV Coupe, QV Cab, 3.2 Coupe, 3.2 Cab, t Coupe and t Cab) currently registered in the UK (or not quite currently but when I last checked)
    5) Approximately two dozen of the currently-registered UK cars are LHD imports
    6) Without double-checking, I think there were 587 supplied new to the UK
    7) Wikipedia is wrong!
     

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