How offensive are special edition clone body kits?

To make something look esthetically accurate (to properly mimic the higher-end model), it often costs a lot and, at the same time, often hurts the original value of the donor car. (which I assume would be a Ferrari.)

It would appear to be a fool's exercise as now you're left with a bastardized wannabe car and did anything but preserve value.

That's 0 for 2 in my book.

 

I hate it when rennlist members complain they want a new GT3 with PTS at list and then put a dealer on blast for charging them ADM when literally 20 other people want that same allocation and are willing to pay over what this guy is whinging about.

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While I am a rennlist member., I rarely post over there. And I could care less actually. I got both my manual 992 GT3T and GT4RS at MSRP and both are PTS cars. I'm in Europe, I really could care less.

Exactly what does my previous post have to do with what people post on Rennlist, and why are you posting personal insults? Don't recall posting anything personal towards you.

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I thought that first, it's his signature (micro member, jumbo ticker), which I do recommend @elephantgrinds you may want to remove lest it is confused for an insult.

 

If I were an auto manufacturer, I would do it exactly as is. The end result is $$$. The manufacturers know there are not enough folks like @Golden Steed that will be content with lying to themselves (and everybody else), hence they have a market.

(@Golden Steed please, don't take this as me suggesting you not be 'allowed' to be a poseur (word used in *your* poll, not mine), again, my advice is probably to avoid this thread entirely if you feel uncomfortable with debating the with what most car enthusiasts think about 'up-badging')

My advice all along is not to care about what most people think.

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That's awesome. Congratulations on both. Which PTS did you go for on both?

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I am not trying to offend anyone both on here and on Rennlist but thats what I have noticed on the 992 allocation thread. As I recall I have not insulted anyone. Just annoying to see people complaining about. Rennlist is the place to witness what you are talking about. I haven't seen anyone complain in person both at local dealers near me or at events. When it does come up in conversations I have about ADM and the dealer game there are references to Rennlist because people openly complain on there.

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It's an inside joke my friends and family have made towards me. My nickname is literally Lil Pee Pee (please interpret as you will). As ridiculous or comical as it sounds. I use it in most of my groupchats, forums and other websites associated with my username.

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I have altered my signature for the better.

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Depends on which woman right? The best thing is you have both! Avoid the latter anyway, stick to the first group!

be well.

 

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Those cars are not pretending to be something they are not, that's the difference. There's visual clues as well as badges that clearly tells what it is.

On the other end of the spectrum is a 488 with a "Pista cenversion kit". The main problem here starts as early as with the name. No matter what you do, it will never be a Pista. It's a 488 with a kit. So when someone say they converted a 488 to a Pista or a 430 to a Scud, they will always per definition be lying.

I just don't see the point. What's wrong with a 488 GTB? Why try and make it look like something it's not? Don't start with that can't drive a rare car thing again, because we do drive them. I put over 5000 km on my Pista Spider the first month I had it.

I think you would be hard pressed to convince anybody, that the reason why your Ferrari was fitted with a "conversion kit", was to do anything but pass it off as the real deal.

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Yeah, I would call the owner of this person a poseur if they claim it's the real deal. Also notice, it's still for sale.

Here's the thing, for 99.9% of folks - it's a cool 'old Ferrari - something you can get away with at 1/10th the price. If you're going to spend 1.5 Million on a car to impress people that know 250 SWB even is, they will know what this car is.

do you get it?

 

I agree, that’s why it’s still for sale.

 

Seems like we’re in agreement. That’s a good thing right?

As to up badging, we may still have a difference of opinion .

All good, the world would be pretty boring if everybody agrees on the same things.

 

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ROFL

"The important thing is that we’re not trying to fool anybody"
-Founder GTO Engineering

On every whole-car build, GTO’s client must provide them a serial number of a retired Ferrari, one beyond repair. Mr. Lyon actually buys the Ferrari badges and escutcheons from the factory.

What's so funny is for a person that keeps on telling us to let go of the discussion, he certainly seems intent to not follow his own advice.

I'm happy to play as long as he desires in defending fakery. All the more ironic, given his main charge, is that it is "I" that am dishonest.

 

@Il Co-Pilota is absolutely right, the example you gave is a literal rebuild of a destroyed Ferrari, that follows a grey zone. Still fine to me, as long as the owner doesn't lie and say it's the original build.

For GTO Engineering's non-rebuilds (read - recreated) - they are NOT ALLOWED to put Ferrari badging - see the SQUALO.

It would be folks like you that add them AFTERWARDS. Again, the only folks that would care are the exact same folks that would know it's fake.

GET IT?

 

This reminds me of another thread on this forum years ago that involved a member converting a 308 GTS into a 288 GTO homage. If I am recalling correctly (it's been a while) the car would remain a targa but get a bigger engine, the interior would be upgraded, etc etc. The man ran into serious issues with his mechanic and ran it past the forum, and we all chimed in. I don't know if or how it was resolved.

What I remember my impression being at the time, FOR ME ALONE, was that I didn't get it. Even if everything had gone according to plan and stayed on budget, which it most certainly had not, it wouldn't look like a GTO. It would look like a GTS kit car. So in a weird way it was making a real Ferrari look like a fake Ferrari. And it was a very expensive project. I remember comparing what his remaining costs were going to be at the time with other Ferrari models he could have just bought for the same money...I think a 360 or a 430 would have been in the same range. So if it had been me, I'd have bought the 360. No question. Or just bought and kept the 308 GTS. But this guy wanted his special car, so who am I to say boo..although I was arguing for him to cut and run at the time based on other issues he was having.

Body kits are weird to me. I 99.9% agree with Il Co-Pilota. It seems like gilding the lily. I daily drive an old Porsche 912 and I get lots of compliments on it for being a very genuine original car, albeit the most modest car they made at the time. If I converted it to an RS tribute I'd not only ruin the original car, I'd feel like a phony every time I got a compliment or a "wow!" But there are exceptions. I have zero problem with a converted Daytona Spyder. But that's less ambiguous. Someone asks "is that a real Ferrari Daytona?!" Yes. Someone who knows Ferrari's asks -"Is it one of the 122 factory GTS cars?" Nope, it's a cut car. But I'd be fine with that. Oddly I'd be more comfortable driving a GTO Engineering 250SWB "Revival" or whatever it's called, than I would a genuine 250 GTE converted to a SWB. One is essentially a "parts car". The other is a real GTE that got altered to make it look like its more desirable sibling. The former seems less cringe inducing to me.

Steve McQueen famously bought a brand new 275 GTB/4 NART Spyder and immediately had it modified and hot rodded! But the difference there is actually that he wasn't trying to make it look like a more elite car, he was tweaking it to make it look how he wanted it to look for himself. I think that's the key, for me anyway.