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How to do a major

Discussion in 'Boxers/TR/M' started by vincenzo, Dec 15, 2018.

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  1. vincenzo

    vincenzo F1 Rookie

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    #1 vincenzo, Dec 15, 2018
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    Drop motor
    disassemble
    carefully paint marks all over the timing belts, then remove
    stop filming
    replace belts ‘wherever’
    restart filming
    pretty red paint on the valve covers (lipstick on a pig?)
    reassemble
    charge 12k

     
  2. vincenzo

    vincenzo F1 Rookie

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    Don’t you just love ‘professional’ work by clueless techs?

    No slam intended for the true professionals. They are worth every penney they charge.
     
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  3. turbo-joe

    turbo-joe F1 Veteran

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    at 6:20 I stopped watching before wasting more time :(
     
  4. vincenzo

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    check out the size of that torque wrench to tighten the cam covers down..... for what... five or so ft lbs?
     
  5. thorn

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    No fender covers... really?
     
  6. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky F1 World Champ
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    Only saw 2 things wrong..first off, turn the heat on in the shop. Second, remove that car from the shop.
     
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  7. SaratogaCA

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    I'd love to learn more about this process. If any of you folks could point out errors or oversights shown in the video, Id appreciate it.


    Thanks,
    - Sam in Saratoga
     
  8. vincenzo

    vincenzo F1 Rookie

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    Marking up the belts is a newbie waste of time. Been there, done that.

    The entire process of setting the cam timing was totally cut from the video. The only part of a Major that requires any true technical skill is the cam timing - the rest is all nuts and bolts. Detailed, finniky, fragile nuts and bolts.

    If you type 83958 in the search engine, you can follow my efforts on a Major. Like I say, setting the cams correctly is a bit of a brain teaser. It requires a lot of care, thought and patience. A ‘low IQ’, time pressed, inexperienced tech will screw it up in a big way.
     
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  9. bpu699

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    Don’t forget the water pump. That was the worst part. Reading threads about folks doing it 3 times and it still leaked...

    Realistically, timing the cams was worthless. Unless the car runs poorly, it’s likely spot on... checking valve clearance was more useful, though almost every valve was in spec.

    Next time, I think I will just change the belts and tensioner sand call it good...
     
  10. vincenzo

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    Agreed. Testarossa pump seals are a miserable design. All the different versions of the seal/impeller are a confused mess. But hopefully a hydrotest will catch a bad seal or install before the engine goes back in.

    I disagree on setting cam timing. It MUST be checked if the cam pulleys come off for a new seal. If they don’t come off, it is still highly recommended to double check with a degree wheel.
     
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  11. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    I agree about cam timing but not waterpumps.

    I have never considered pressure testing a waterpump a good use of time. Never done it, see no reason.

    Shop is a dump. I wouldn't bring a Yugo to a place like that. Cannot even spell "Major". Just who I'd use.
     
  12. vincenzo

    vincenzo F1 Rookie

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    Yes - but your years of experience have taught you the ‘secret’ seal that seems to work better than those which Ferrari specs for the Testarossa.

    ;-)
     
  13. Glassman

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    I think you guy's missed the fact that this is not a "Major" service...........it is a "Mojor" service!!!!!!!!!!
     
  14. todd6363

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  15. bpu699

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    From the threads I read, many folks had leaks 100 miles after the major, not right away. Would a pressure test show that? I always thought perhaps the waterseal wasn't put in square and the friction parts wore unevenly??? You can pressure test it with air... put does that mean it wont leak?

    This thread is bringing back bad memories... ;)
     
  16. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Just use factory seals installed correctly. I didn't have years of experience the first time and it didn't leak. I was shop foreman for what was at the time the biggest dealer in the world and no one in the shop was having trouble with leaks. I don't understand the issue but I can guarantee you if I saw what was being done I could identify a problem while it was being done.
     
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  17. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Pretty hard seeing air leak out. Air being compressible and with the internal volume as big as it is it would take forever to know if there was a small leak using air.
     
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  18. xplodee

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    I see that there are two camps: replace the WP seals and dont replace the WP seals.

    To someone who believes they should be replaced:

    If there are no signs of leakage, what is the advantage to replace them? Is leakage difficult to identify?
     
  19. vincenzo

    vincenzo F1 Rookie

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    Sure wish I could spend a few days in your shop to learn your techniques. It would be a great time for a diy guy!

     

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