I don't know whether to laugh or cry

Yeah Steve, trade in that bling 308 on a F-40, let see my guess is you will need oh about 300-350k extra.....

Seriously, now that you have the dedicated track car...what does the future hold for the 308?

 

Sad, Sad, Sad. It just doesn't belong on that car.

 

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You're gonna need at least $100K more than that!

I'm not a fan of wings, but actually in person Steven's wing isn't that bad. Take it with the intent that he is trying anything within reason to lower his lap times. On the street I'm sure people do a lot of pointing and giggling, but the ricers probably love it. It's his car, he can do what he wants with it. At least he uses his Ferrari in a way that most of us never will.

Birdman

 

Steven's very serious about track performance and has put a lot of time & $$$ into upgrading his car to the point that add'l down force was needed. Steve's not a bling person, he put a lot of work in researching wings to make sure he got a functional one with adequate adjustability.

He's driving the car the way Enzo would have wanted it to be driven.

 

I vote no for a 308 or mondi wing.

The 288 was able to do it with a more upturned lip on the trunk. I'll bet that would be a good approach on the 308 or mondi as well as being less obtrusive.

 

If someone swings the initial funds i'll swing the added $100k+. No problem there

Humble thanks.

Yes, why yes they do It really is sad and this is where i HATE the wing quite frankly. On the road it looks ricer

Perhaps true, though wish more Fcar guys tracked their car (hint hint), even for just a few days a year. Not asking for 25+ days a year like me, but perhaps 4 days a year so this means at least two events at two DIFFERENT tracks. The driving skills learned from the track can be very beneficial even at normal public road speeds IMO.

To make a long story short: me driving my Ford Ranger with wife in passenger down a long, rural dark road. Suddenly a dog was in the roadway on my wife's side. i used evasive action and what i could feel was near/at maximum threshold brake grip to swerve left and then swung around the rear of the truck using steering and throttle. i missed hitting the dog by maybe an inch or two, which if hit would have probably brought my wife nightmares for a long, long time.

(Blushing) A most humble thanks Verell.

Everyone, Birdman and Verell know me quite well and we meetup multiple times a year (wish it was more, yet i moved further away from the cool New England guys).

If i had more $$$ an F40 would be nice... though would still keep the Euro 308. The curves, the lines, the RAWNESS of the experience without 'driver aids'... Verell probably understands that with all the development work and $$$ i could have had a 355 easily. But i do not want a 355, or 360, my desire is for a 308 in Euro form.


As always, have no deadset love or hate for the wing as a 'complete' solution. What DOES matter is how it works ON THE TRACK, so on public roads i guess the car takes a big hit from the bling/ricer crowd. Those who know me realize the reason for the wing.

In 2007 plan to have fellow Fchatter and sponsored rider Scott take the 308 for a spin at the track to compare the car from last year when he drove it sans wing to the new changes with wing that also had me redo weight distribution change, etc.

Thanks again to Verell, Birdman and all who support my reasoning. Agree it looks blingy and on public roads. It is pretty much useless at legal speeds. On the track things get a bit more interesting

FYI: have kinda sorta 'retired' the 308 in favor of a proper track car for SCCA and other events. The 308 MIGHT make an appearance at the Watkins Glen event in the fall depending on my SCCA/MARRS/COMSCC/etc track schedule. Please understand, the 308 here IS NOT really a road car any longer, though is (just barely) street legal for trips to get bread, milk, etc. Got to keep those fluids spinning

FYI part 2: the engine will have some top end work done, as after 45+ track days she needs some small attention. Sure i over-rev'ed a few times, it happens. Leakdown and compression are basically ok, though could be better and want everything, as always, in top form. Then will come the supercharger. Something tells me very few guys here will be as they are about the wing as to supercharging.

(Apologies in advance for soapbox'ing below)

WHAT SCRAES ME IS GUYS WITH STOCK BRAKES AND STOCK COOLING SYSTEM IN QUESTIONABLE CONDITION ADDING A SUPERCHARGER. Apologies for all caps, add to that i sincerely hope guys adding supercharging know their A/F ratio using a dyno and have done careful leakdown/compression. My fear is that we may see guys buring engine bits due to running too lean overall or have a single bank or cylinder situation. Add to that, the stock brakes can only do a certain amount. So if you are adding power, please consider the supporting bits like brakes, engine cooling, etc.

A car is a system, and so the weakest part of the system could be fatal in one form or another.

Again, my apologies for soapbox'ing. Am just hoping guys who want power, power and more power realize the car engine might need additional cooling and please remember brakes are a good thing.

 

I think I got a little carried away when I saw the car.Mine has been in pieces for so long in comparison anything would look good.My machine is almost ready ,after all the comments on the WING mondial ,I'm a little afraid to show what mine looks like.{NO wings though}

The wheels I have selected have made a huge diference to the overall look of my QV .I'll post pics within two or three days.The wheel sizes are 18" 225/40 profile 38 offset all round.No scuffing at all,but could use about 10 mm spacers just to give it a slightly beefier look.If fact the new wheels in standard config require the same length bolts but they need 18mm heads so that you can get them on.19mm wont allow the socket to fit.

I paid £424 for wheels and tyres.Very cheap but I think its a discontinued range.Pity, looks great.

 

I wonder what goes on in these people's heads when they come up with these pitiful modifications. Then imagine the sound of the drill as it goes through the trunk lid...

 

It's a Daytona!
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Thats my kind of Daytona

 

Not to be confused with the Superbird
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My mind was thinking faster speed in the twisties and straights as now there are more ways to tune the car for various tracks, etc. Do not hear many others complaining about the uprated shocks, springs, sways, seats, clutch, flywheel, lighter battery, lighter/larger rims, stickier rubber, uprated brakes... or holes in the engine bay for the Halon system's tubing. Seems the wing really does polarize people.

As for the sound of the drill as it cuts metal, have heard it for the Halon system as a hole in the front was needed and have another hole on the hood for electrical cutoff. It is part of the overall SAFETY of the driver/car (see pic below).

As for the rear wing, i was VERY careful and measuring MANY times, making a template, etc. Note how even the installation is between the lower bits in the rear bonnet (see pics at http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=132034&page=2 ). NOTE: is those pics i have my WINTER rims with Blizzak WS-50 rubber, not the usual lightweight Kinesis 17-inch rims and Mich PS2 for street and track wet days... or Pilot Cup rubber (to be replaced with Hoosier R06 this spring).
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Steve,

Dude,,,
You need to clean out your ashtray. (Enzo would be so pissed.)

Edwardo

 

No one would ever smoke in a Ferrari, I am sure what you see in his ashtray, aka "Buttholder" is all the small screws, clips, rubber bumpers that are left over when you work on the car

 

Buy a car you can maybe afford, then make it look faster than it is. When your are driilling the hole in the rear deck lid, you realize that they are in the wrong place, so now you need a smaller wing.
Install a Valet switch on the dash, so if you do have to give someone a ride, you tell them that is not working correctly and it is 'stuck' in the valet position.

This valet switch also controls the angle of the wing.

 

Oh geeze <rolls eyes>

Yeah, guess i enjoy a smoke now and then. Enzo can kiss my axe, he is the guy who allowed his cars to be sold to anyone with a few dollars. Paris Hilton's family has an Enzo and she has driven it. Am sure she is a more capable driver and representation of Ferrari owners in your eyes, yes?

They are cigar bits. You know how it is... Enjoy a cigar after track days when i did 'run what you brung,' though wisdom now means have an enclosed trailer so smoke after track events in my tow vehicle.

Look faster? Maybe afford?

It will be nice to see you on the track before, and especially after the supercharger gets installed in a few months. Which track events do you plan on attending. Am sure you track your car, right? Ferrari is said by some to be about their race-bread performance so that would mean you, as the owner of a Ferrari, would naturally track your car. Would love to be on the tarmac at the same time so please post your track schedule. Thank you for your input concerning my financial status <rolls eyes>

The wing is not about looks, it IS about performance and, frankly, love the 308 visually over the 348, 355, 360, and 430.

???? Maybe when you do a project this happens? Please do tell as when the wing project was done here everything was in exactly the place they were meant to be. Am sorry to hear you have problems with various projects, perhaps it is time you. seek professional help?

Active wing adjustment is an interesting thing, yet adds more complexity and, i believe, very illegal in some track league rules. Am sure you track your car often so are familiar with tech inspection. Am active wing adjustment capability would be very easy to detect.

As for valet and you are looking at speed accordingly, please feel free to attend various SCCA, pro GT car events, etc and see how other cars have wings and various aero bits.

Thanks guys, you brought a huge smile to my face. Look forward to seeing many of you at various track events in 2007 Umm, you DO track your car 10+ days a year, right? Since i shall be at 30+ days of track events am sure we may meet at one of them.


PS: It does sadden me to get a better understanding of why some people have the opinion concerning Ferrari car owners. Am very glad guys like Verell, Scott, and Birdman (people who know me personally and understand my car due to hands-on experience) realize my goals. Scott has briefly driven my car and have been on track with Verell BTW. Speaking of which, SCOTT, we need to hook up for the first open track day at NHIS as we need to get both track cars to NHIS and my enclosed trailer only holds one car. You up to driving the Ferrari to NHIS and a few session to get her warm and happy?


Think my next tin top car will be a Lotus as those guys seem to track their cars a lot and understand... Lotus history... and am sure you know about Lotus history and their significance concerning aero.

 

First, in hindsight my apologies for giving in to what others thing/feel about what i have done. We each have goals with our Fcars and obviously my goal is different than yours.

My reply should have simply been, "Frankly my dear, i don't give a damn."

Maybe one day this 308 will be balled up on the track and be done with. Hopefully that will make you happy versus having a Ferrari, dare we say it, on the track and tweaked/optimized accordingly. Between what FNA/Ferrari Spa and you guys here are saying.... Today am truly ashamed to be a Ferrari owner and am now of the feeling that she will never see a non-Ferrari track day, lest i even allow others some hint or hope of tracking a Ferrari and trying to make it a better handling car. Would NEVER want to have other track guys consider being a Ferrari owner, as being treated as i have would be adding insult to injury. In fact, if anyone asks about my Ferrari i will steer them VERY far away from Ferrari ownership. Thank you for allowing me to get a realistic aspect to Ferrari ownership.

Now i see why at the track the BMW, Porsche, Lotus, Subaru, of course Miata and Corvette guys are having fun.

Have a good day and may the prestine wax job on your car be forever glistening and may your Ferrari never see a drop of rain.

 

That's right!
As one of my previous signature lines said "Doing my own thing regardless..."

 

I had this dilemma, I didn't want to drill the bonnet/hood as I am still thinking of getting a lightweight one made up in the future and this would kill resale value on this by having holes in it, fortunately on a Mondial you have a removable plastic scuttle panel so I'm going to put it through them instead