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"I just flew that thing!"

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  1. Chupacabra

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    I've been flying this plane a bit lately:

    https://pilotonline.com/news/local/article_73670ec4-26d3-11e8-b56d-dfbfd0b86f11.html

    Great little airplane - enough power, nicely balanced, feels more like my old Arrow than the Arrow that's available for rent now...but it's obviously in sad shape at the moment :-( Apparently, the accident was due to a power loss (full or partial I don't know).

    I know folks here must have some stories about equipment that you have experience with failing someone else. I won't lie - I sincerely hope this is as close as I ever come to having an incident or accident and it's not lost on me that this could have been my story. I was actually thinking of going for a spin in the plane and had other things to do, then saw the news. Thankfully everyone is OK
     
  2. jcurry

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    An airplane I was using for IFR training, mostly at night, had an engine failure just a couple weeks after I had transitioned into my own plane. No injuries and they actually dead sticked it onto a runway. Never really thought much of it.
     
  3. Chupacabra

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    Turns out it was carb ice. They made it 200’ off the deck and had to land beyond the end of the runway. No engine damage.
     
  4. Tcar

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    No carb heat?
     
  5. Chupacabra

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    Yep, looks like they were doing touch and goes and they forgot it on downwind. Conditions were textbook for carb ice that day...
     
  6. jcurry

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    On a C-180 I flew with partial carb heat ALL the time, even TO. The induction system is so bad on O470 that a little carb heat was needed to help even out the fuel distribution. One thing I never missed when flying FI engines.
     
  7. Chupacabra

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    My Arrow spoiled me, as well as the injected 182 and DA-40 I've been flying since. I'm not used to all of the proclivities of the carbureted engines anymore and caught myself leaving it out of my GUMPS the first time I flew this plane, which I wasn't very happy about. Won't do that again.

    I actually used to leave a little carb heat on when I was solo training, especially x-country, because I didn't notice an appreciable power loss and figured "Why not??"
     
  8. donv

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    I was talking to someone about Great Lakes biplanes, and I mentioned one I used to fly... then I was curious, so I googled the tail number and it crashed a few months after I last flew it!
     
  9. Gatorrari

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    It can happen with airliners as well. My aunt once flew from NY to Miami on an Eastern L-1011. Four days later, the same aircraft on the same flight crashed in the Everglades.
     
  10. tazandjan

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    The ghost flight.
     
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  11. Tcar

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    Pilot error big time....
     
  12. bspellerin

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    Applying carb heat is not routinely used on PA-28's during landing, unlike the Cessna's. Nor is it on the normal landing checklist.
     
  13. Tcar

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    They weren't landing... had just taken off according to his second post...
     
  14. bspellerin

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    Okeydoke, applying carb heat is not routinely used on PA-28's during takeoffs. Nor is it on the normal takeoff checklist.
     
  15. Chupacabra

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    They were in the pattern doing touch-and-go’s
     
  16. Chupacabra

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    Just checked the checklist - carb heat is listed in the pre-landing section of the list we use. Of course, I don’t think a lot of people stare at the checklist in the pattern for better or worse.
     
  17. Tcar

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    And, as you said... "Conditions were textbook for carb ice that day..."
     
  18. Bisonte

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    I remember that one. "We did something to the altitude."

    Accident chain started by a burned-out bulb.
     
  19. Chupacabra

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    Humid and just under 60 degrees, IIRC.
     
  20. Juan-Manuel Fantango

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    Was that the one caused by a indicator light being out?
     
  21. Bisonte

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    The crash was caused by pilot error, but yes, that's what distracted the crew and started the accident chain.
     
  22. tazandjan

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    That crash generated both a book and a movie. Ernest Borgnine was in the movie, I seem to remember.
     

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