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430 I know... I know... what engine oil again.

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  1. Mario Andretti

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    #1 Mario Andretti, Sep 15, 2022
    Hi all,

    Now that the year has gone by and I need to change my engine oil again; I am at a loss what to use. I used Redline 5W-40, but it has foamed bad more days than not since I put it in last year in October.
    Just checked my oil again, and sure enough it is foaming...bubbles on the oil stick.

    Only did 700 miles on it.

    I am not sure what to use next, now that the factory Shell is no longer for sale...

    Many thanks
     
  2. flash32

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    #2 flash32, Sep 15, 2022
    Use Mobil 1 0w40 euro formula

    28 dollars for 5 quart jug

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    #3 Extreme1, Sep 15, 2022
    Mobil 1 0w-40 also


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    #5 Mario Andretti, Sep 15, 2022
    I thought about it more and looked at oil viscosities... I would like to stick to a 5w 40 as these engines get hot on track.. Planning a track day in October and plenty next year.
     
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    #6 Mario Andretti, Sep 15, 2022
    I cant seem to be able to find that racing oil anywhere
     
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    #7 flash32, Sep 15, 2022
    A 5w and 0w 40 will have the same viscosity when hot..

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    #8 AandSC, Sep 15, 2022
    ‘When I bought my last case it was still marked as the Platinum Euro. Either is fine as they are the same.
     
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    #9 PeterS, Sep 15, 2022
    A Ferrari mechanic! Not that you can not do it yourself but a good mechanic can help spot other items that may need attention.
     
  10. craze

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    #10 craze, Sep 15, 2022
    From my understanding some bubbles are ok
    Completely foaming is another issue
     
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    #11 clean512, Sep 15, 2022
    Motul sport. A true group V base unlike most group 3 synthetic oils. A little more pricey but if you want a good oil this or redline or group V ester based.
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    #12 Snapshift, Sep 15, 2022
    I had a foaming issue with Pennzoil Euro 5W-40. At last servicing I changed to Valvoline Euro. 5W-40. Has all the same specs as the Pennzoil, Mobil 1, etc. etc. Absolutely no foaming and it took exactly 2 jugs and the level is perfectly in the middle of the dipstick. I'm sticking with the Valvoline for now unless something else develops. To most people oil is a religion of some sort so you will get as many different answers. It has remained clearer and cleaner than the Pennzoil for almost 2K miles now. just my .02. This oil is avail at some Walmart Supercenters for a pretty good price. You can check online which stores have it is stock. Image Unavailable, Please Login as there are users.
     
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    #15 Mario Andretti, Sep 16, 2022
    Exactly! I also got that and returned it after reading the ferrari technical bulletin posted above...the pennzoil racing is not sold anywhere...
     
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    #16 Kent Adams, Sep 16, 2022
    Why not call your local Ferrari dealer and ask them what they use?
     
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    #17 Mario Andretti, Sep 16, 2022
    Mobil 1 0w-40

    Grade SAE 0W-40
    Kinematic Viscosity @ 100 C, mm2/s, ASTM D445 12.9
    Pour Point, °C, ASTM D97 -60
    Density @ 15 C, g/cm3, ASTM D4052 0.846
    Kinematic Viscosity @ 40 C, mm2/s, ASTM D445 71
    Flash Point, Cleveland Open Cup, °C, ASTM D92 226

    Comparing to an oil which I usually use in my BMW,

    Motul 8100 Xcess:

    Viscosity grade SAE J 300 5W-40
    Density at 20°C (68°F) ASTM D1298 0.849
    Viscosity at 40°C (104°F) ASTM D445 75.1 mm²/s
    Viscosity at 100°C (212°F) ASTM D445 13.5 mm²/s
    HTHS viscosity at 150°C (302°F) ASTM D4741 3.8 mPa.s
    Viscosity Index ASTM D2270 186.0
    Pour point ASTM D97 -45.0 °C / -49.0 °F
    Sulfated Ash ASTM D874 1.10 % weight
    TBN ASTM D2896 10.2 mg KOH/g
    Flash point ASTM D92 228.0 °C / 442.0 °F

    Allow me to agree to disagree :) .... they differ, and sometimes by even higher values.... check out the Redline, one of the best if not the best out there:

    ACEA Service Class A3 B3/B4
    API Service Class SN/SM/SL/CF
    SAE Viscosity Grade (Motor Oil) 5W40
    Vis @ 100°C, CSt 15.6
    Vis @ 40°C, CSt 97
    Viscosity Index 174
    CCS Viscosity, Poise, @ °C 58@-30
    Pour Point, °C -45
    Pour Point, °F -49
    NOACK Evaporation Loss,1hr @ 482°F (250°C), % 6
    HTHS Vis, CP @150°C, ASTM D4741 4.4

    It's a pity it foams in my engine though :)
     
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    #18 kenneyd, Sep 16, 2022
    in the usa, platinum euro was the recommended for a while, even had the logo on their bottles, but then they dropped it in '19-'20 time frame.
    I just bought redline, its popular in the 355 forums since its does not foam.... but then the op is saying he has isssues with that... oh well
     
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    #20 mike_747, Sep 16, 2022
    My independent gets Shell (Ferrari OEM oil) from Europe in 55-gallon barrels. So, still available in bulk.
     
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    #21 Rifledriver, Sep 16, 2022
    The lower number of the viscosity has no effect on the properties of the oil when hot.

    If it is getting hot enough to make a difference Ferrari suggested 10-60.
     
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    #22 flash32, Sep 16, 2022
    Thank you

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    #23 swc5150, Sep 16, 2022
    Royal purple has been great in my cars/boats.
     
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    Never used it in the Ferrari though.
     
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    #25 Mario Andretti, Sep 16, 2022
    ... the other problem with Mobil 1 0w-40... I used it in all my cars for many years. It seems that quality has slipped through the cracks, BMW no longer approves it and I stopped using since ( I used to be a mostly BMW shop until I got my GT350R and now Ferrari) .. I have seen bad (i.e. high metal wear) Blackstone reports from the new formula of Mobil 1 shown to me by an older racer (believe it or not, he was older than me) at the track about a year ago. He switched to Liqui Moly and was much happier apparently.

    I will stick to my decision not to use it anymore, but each to it's own...

    Just an FYI, here is the sticker from my car regarding oil specifications; the CCMC is an older , outdated spec now morphed into ACEA. G5 is more of a ACEA A3 or something like that (read up at bobistheoilguy) . All modern oils mentioned on this thread meet API SL/CF specs, and the ACEA one, so it's more of a user preference in fact :)





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