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I wish there had been more of these-

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  1. Gatorrari

    Gatorrari F1 World Champ
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    A neat simulation video a guy did of a turboprop-powered Super Constellation. Only a few of these were built; it would have been nice to see this as a production aircraft. Maybe Lockheed should have pursued this instead of doing the Electra.

     
  2. jcurry

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    Wouldn't have made a difference commercially. The cabin of a Connie was/is smaller than the Concorde.
     
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    Electra was designed, including airfoil, for a cruise speed about twice that of a Connie.
     
  5. Bob Parks

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    The beautifully curved fuselage of the Connie was a manufacturing basket weaving project with every single frame a different diameter and different frame flange angles, ALL fuselage skins were stretch formed since there was no constant diameter fuselage section that would allow straight sheets. Very expensive to build. Fuselage taper for and aft cut the number of seats that could have employed and caused difficult angles to seat installations. The fuselage was sort of rotated around a 23012 airfoil and looked sexy and beautiful but the drag improvement was negligible. Never mind, it is a beautiful airplane.
     
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    Subsequently, beans were removed from the in-flight meal options........
     
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    Early attempt at a Guppy for carrying oversize cargo, apparently.
     
  11. Tcar

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    No, none were for oversize cargo. Were all 2 deck passenger planes.

    Breguet Br.761... they only built a couple dozen of them...
     
  12. tazandjan

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    New one on me.
     
  13. Bob Parks

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    The French produced a series of uglymous airplanes at times.
     
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    ...and cars.
     
  15. nerofer

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    Well Bob, handsome is as handsome does, isn't it? And the "Deux-Ponts" had the most wonderful of safety record: 20 aeroplanes built, none lost, not even a person wounded on board one of these. Three are surviving today. I know the one at Fontenay-Trevisy well.

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  16. Tcar

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    Wounded? I hope not; it went into service in the early 50's.... war was pretty well over. :)
     
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    Well, because airliners suffered accidents from time to time in the fifties, you know?There are two known accidents in the history of the beast: one belly landing in a field near Lyon, no harm done; the plane was lifted, the gear lowered, and it flew away with only the pilot on board. Another accident in Algeria by a gust of wind when landing. No-one harmed.
    Considering they flew until 1972 (if my memory, etc...) a pretty good service record, isn't it?
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    Have to love a mortar on a tank. Or the shortest barrel cannon I ever saw off an airplane.
     
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    The B1 might look odd, but wasn't that bad in combat: in fact, it gave the german tanks quite a headache during the battle of France: no german gun was able to defeat its armor, except the 88. Some B1s survived dozens of impacts. But it certainly was not simple mechanically. Its odd-looking configuration came from the fact that it started its life as a self-propelled gun, the turret was a later add-on.

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  21. Gatorrari

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    That 75mm in the hull was really a howitzer, designed to knock out walls and fortifications with high-explosive rounds; the 47mm in the turret was an anti-tank gun, and a very good one. In the village of Stonne, a single B1 knocked out an entire line of German tanks single-handedly; one of those tanks suffered internal explosions from its own ammo to the extent that the result was completely unrecognizable as having been a tank! The word went back to Germany, and later versions of the same tanks were up-armored.
     
  22. nerofer

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    And the "B1" was not the only one, Jim...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOMUA_S35

    But that would take us very far away from the "Breguet 763/765 Deux-Ponts".

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  23. Gatorrari

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    Or the turboprop Connie with which I started this thread!
     
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    As long as your DH 82 only weighs 1200 lbs, sure.
     

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