IDF stops 14 year old suicide bomber

You could argue that Israel's advancement is at the expense of the Palestinians, and Israel is nothing but one big land grab.

Suicide-bombing is not a remnant of any 13th-century culture so far as I know.

Mirrored buildings with fancy designs or other manifestations of industrialization are not necessarily something to aspire for--the advancement of society is. Some societies advance by trading, some by manufacturing, some by educating, some by war. Lately, it seems to be outsourcing.

 

Cite one credible source that says the majority of the Palestinians support suicide bombing. That is a lie. Such egregiously false claims cast doubt on the rest of your statements.

 

Therefore you are entitled to their land and have free rein to mistreat them? Many would argue that you haven't done much with your land. Can I come take it?

 

Zack: My question might have gotten lost in my own rhetoric, so i will put it this way: Granted, there is no winner here, and both sides have their extremists, but i understand that radical Palestinians call for the complete destruction of the state of Israel. It is that belief that i find repugnant, and for which i give them no support in their struggle. But, knowing of this belief, why are these extremists regarded as heros? Its one thing to fight for your land, its another to call for the extermination or eradication of a State and its people. How can this extreme view be accepted by pro-Palestinian factions in other parts of the world? Is it simply antisemitism? Is it reasonable to expect the Israelis to concede land, power, economic benefits, etc, and still call for their complete destruction?

As to the "silent majority" of peace loving Palestinians, i'm sure there are many there that would prefer a different, better life, and would, if it came to pass, begrudge no one. But, i also think that since Israel is blamed for their plight (rather than that complete scumbag, Arafat and his cronies), there is a "silent majority" of Palestinians who may desire nothing less than what their more radical brethern preach: Kill the Jews.

 

Ralfabco,
I don't think I get your point when you repeatedly ask this question. Are you saying that the Palestinians are mistakenly fighting Israel for their land, when in fact, before 1967 they all lived in Jordan? Is this what you are saying? I am not sure, but if so, you are laughably off-base. I guess all the houses that the Palestinians lost to the Israelis (they can take you by the hand and lead you to them) all got up and moved by themselves in the middle of the night to Jerusalem.

And ralfabco, all the roads and powerplants that were destroyed by Israeli gunships and tanks...who should pay for rebuilding those? Or were they all part of a terrorist enterprise and therefore justifiably destroyed according to some law (a law that was no doubt passed by Israel)?

 

I think you are asking if Israel should settle with those who call for its destruction. Right? If so, my response (and unfortunately, I do not have all the answers) would be that there are factions on each side calling for the destruction of the other. By extending the olive branch, you are bringing a lot more of the mainstream on your side, and providing less and less potential recruits to Hamas. Years of subjugation and hard-line policies have not quashed Hamas. In fact, they have only made it stronger.

By offering jobs and prosperity and opportunity to the Palestinians, you are more likely to marginalize the extremist groups like Hamas. Why would people believe their "Israel is evil" doctrine when the evidence of "Israel is not evil" is before their eyes. Right now, what Hamas claims about Israel is borne out daily.

Arafat and his scumbag cronies might have a lot to answer for, but so does Israel. It is wrong to hold Israel blameless and lay it all at Arafat's feet. In fact, playing the blame game is not productive. Improving the Palestinian's lot is. Decreasing the extremists' power base is. Ending settlements is. Building a security fence on your own land is. Diverting irrigation streams back on their original courses is. Allowing Palestinians to use their water as they wish is. Not destroying hospitals is. Not blocking exports of farm produce is. Not blockading truckloads of food until the shipments rot is. I could go on and on, but I think you get the picture.

 

Again, you are showing your utter lack of comprehension.

They were not a subjugated people before. There was no war for "freedom from Jordan" before. And had the Arab League not called them Palestinians, are you naive enough to think that today they would not be standing up to Israel? So why do you keep bringing this up? It has ZERO relevance.

Let me spell it out for you.

Before 1967, they were not being oppressed by Jordan. Since 1967, they have been oppressed by Israel.

Before 1967, no Jordanian ousted a Palestinian from his home and forcibly relocated him to a camp to live in squalor. Since 1967, this has been done countless times by Israel.

Before 1967, even though they were not called Palestinians, the people indigenous to the area now referred to as Israel were not engaged in a desperate fight for survival and recognition. Since 1967, they have been. Against Israel.

Before 1967, the Arab League did not care about them. After 1967, it paid lip service to their needs, but it was the best mouthpiece they had to the rest of the world. Had the Arab League not stood up for them, and regardless of whether it did so for ulterior motives, they would still be engaged in this resistance today.

1967, Jordan, Arab League. All irrelevant today.

Security, peace, stability, terrorism, Israel, Palestine, Middle East. In a big mess today.

If it's not fixed, it will have ramifications for the Arab world, US, European Community, Asia, you, me, everyone. It's all interconnected today so you can't avoid it. Do you get it yet?

 

OK then, what makes you think anyone is asking for your opinion?

 

The war on terrorizem is a complete FARCE!!!

You guys don't seem to understand that kids from day one are being brainwashed to do this type of thing. Weather or not the kid was 14 or 12 or 16, to them it is somthing that they must do!! And if they do not they are killed anyway and maybe even thier families aswell.

They do not know any better. They have know idea that anything outside of the world they have been showen exsists!!. This is all they were told they were here to do.

How the hell can you battle somthing like that? You can't. As long as there are countries that want land, money, freedom, and have a religous leaders who are extremeists then you will have terrorizim. This is somthing that will not go away at all.

It's only going to get worse and worse. These people who send poepl to blow themselves up, have never had the amount of power that they do now over the world. Peopl are living in fear because of this stuff. We have the media to blame for that mostly, but that fact remains this is a war that cannot be won. As long as you have different religens and people who own land that sombody things they shouldn't, they you will have terrorizem.

You can win this war with all the bombs and guns in the world. It will just keep comming back and twice as hard as before.

 

It seems to me that you are the one who can't figure anything out. My posts are here for others to see as well. I refuted your crap point by point and ultimately it frustrated you enough that you resorted to cheap shots. Nice.

At least you have stopped parrotting on about 1967 and Jordan. Thank you for realizing how irrelevant that is to today's conflict.

Shalom.

 

tbakowsky,
while it may never go away completely, you can battle terrorism in the ways outlined above and make it into a much, much smaller problem than it is today. Take away oppression, poverty, and despair and you will breed a lot less terrorism.

You are incorrect in your statements about the kids being brainwashed from childhood. In the case of the Palestinian suicide bombers, they usually come from middle-class (by Palestinian standards) families and have had fairly regular lives. They see and feel enough suffering and humiliation to volunteer for these missions without telling their families.

I think you are talking about the Taliban...which is different. They take in destitute kids and give them schooling and a way of life based on Islamic extremism. Solution there is "de-programming" just like you deal with someone who's been brainwashed by a cult.

 

Yes Sir(!) & Thanks. My profile says "Aspiring Writer" - I think it'll stay that way even if I become a recognized pen-wielder.

 

Still babaling on about s**t, i see Wax.LOL!!!

 

I know a lot of Americans support Israel
but :

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8C7BCBC3-CA2C-4F33-B27D-80AF0AF830E2.htm

You don't allways have to look at it from only one side !