F8 If you already had a Pista - F8 or 296 and why

I assume the tires have been engineered to allow a minimum amount of slip to protect the driveline over those multiple launches. It’s gotta be punishing and it sounds like you’re in that 1% of owners which determines their test and validation plan!

 

Is this thread about that, or has it actually just turned into a semi-random argument about the 296?

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Congrats!! Different ferraris for different ferraristi
Ferrari want you to have both.
I’d be interested In knowing the emotions you got out of the car.


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Yessir! I like to have data to back up what I’m feeling. Maybe my OCD. I do really like Porsche though. It’s a fantastic daily sports car.

one other observation on the car, perhaps you’ve noticed. It’s too bouncy in comfort. PDCC cures that.

 

there should be thread for the same select few who would could post all the ramblings about how great their car is,the cars they own or will buy, the 0-60 times, quarter mile times of their car, their crystal ball predictions and the dear Abby' what you should do or choose, and their unsolicited opinions. What would be a good name for that thread? Almost every thread in this forum eventually degenerates into this garbage?? Certainly, people who cannot stick to the thread title should just.....

 

Your last sentence basically describes the next LB. The 296 as with the SF90 are their first cars. The next ones will be better. As Ferrari has stated more cars less numbers. Ild expect a new car every 2-3 years.

 

I agree. My TTS wasn’t getting quicker than 2.6 with the Goodyears. Had I kept the car. I would have swapped to PS4S.

 

Next one are always better lol


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True but buyers were not told the LB was going to make their F8's and SF90's feel dull and lifeless to drive in comparison. I'm pretty sure if a lot of the buyers knew that, they would have passed on these emotionally lackluster manbag models and waited for the real deal (LB).

 

it is definitely an odd marketing position to take.

 

I think it indicts the fact Ferrari were caught out not only by the competition but by their own complacency, choosing to capitalize out of the manbag type buyer instead of focusing on its roots where previous models were built on style and emotion. Now they have no other option but to work their way out of the deep hole they've dug for themselves in a bid to recover the Ferrari namesake - as well as satisfying the party faithful who have invested heavily into their brand and, historical beliefs, thinking Ferrari was the leader in this area.

 

Would hate to be in the position having a F8 and or a SF90 and wanting to replace it with the 296

Interesting unlike previous new cars Ferrari really hasnt shown any real figures or videos with regards to the aero ?

 

A lot of Ferrari buyers bought into a dream that didn't quite materialize in the manner which they expected it would. I mean a Ferrari with barely any sound with a similar level of driving emotion now found in late model passenger cars? And worse still no storage space (e.g SF90) to fit anything bigger than a lunchbox? It doesn't get much worse than that especially considering the massive price paid and likely depreciation levels. I mean how could anyone other than a diehard staunch Ferrari buyer say they'd be happy with that!?

Let's face it, its clear some of these diehards will pay and do anything to have the Ferrari label under their belt no matter what is dished up to them, and this is where Ferrari fooled themselves into believing emotion and sound were no longer necessary elements. Based upon the latest Ferrari marketing hype it would appear Ferrari has finally woken up to their senses and realized the error of their ways. Let's hope it's onward and up from here on!

 

Congrats.Enjoy in good health.

 

They could name the thread after the main offender, titling it :- "The life and times of JCMD on Fchat! " The thread where all his garbage and BS is collected into one big pile of smelly rubbish.

 

"fun to drive" has been a Ferrari slogan since (at least) the 458Speciale

here's a link to the F8 being described as fun to drive:

https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/magazine/articles/ferrari-fde-f8-tributo-thrills

snippets:

We sat down with chassis engineer Stefano Varisco to explain what the enhancements deliver to lucky F8 Tributo drivers.

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Varisco describes it as the “fun to drive” setting for the most experienced drivers.

 

I'm pretty sure it was after the 458 speciale was when the fun started to dry up.

Maybe Ferrari was having fun with the up-charges for options which were standard equipment in Kia's and the likes?

Anyway one thing is for certain - Ferrari is certainly now laboring the point that the new 296 GTB is their most emotional and fun car to drive out of their current model range, and I suspect for reasons already mentioned where they knew they had strayed away from where they were back in times gone by, rendering their slogan just hollow words.

It's all well and good for Ferrari to use a slogan "fun to drive" but in comparison to what? This is the key point. Any manufacturer can make that claim but what are they actually comparing their car too?

At least here they are comparing 296 as being the most fun to drive out of their current models. So that's a start in the right direction, but even better would be hearing how much more fun to drive is it over the competitors offerings?

 

This may be majoring on the minor but their language is this:

https://www.ferrari.com/en-US/auto/296-gtb

The 296 GTB, an evolution of Ferrari’s mid-rear-engined two-seater sports berlinetta concept, represents a revolution for the Maranello-based company as it introduces the new 120° V6 engine coupled with a plug-in (PHEV) electric motor capable of delivering up to 830 cv. The car thus redefines the idea of driving fun to provide pure excitement not only when pursuing maximum performance but also during everyday driving.

So, "fun to drive" is short hand for 'redefining driving fun'

I think the heavy emphasis is not to diminish the fun to drive experience of any other Ferrari (because they are 'all' fun to drive, after all), but, Ferrari is concerned about selling a $400K (USD) V6 twin turbo+ electric motor....so, I think their best "message" is,

hey, look here, this V6 turbo+electric is just as fun to drive as anything else we ever made

...anyway, that's my 'read' on this situation

 

Great write-up. Thanks for posting. I’m now even more excited about the upcoming arrival of my F8.


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" Fun To Drive " makes as much sense to me as " Mission Win Now "

Does that mean previous cars were not fun to drive ? Does than mean previous years there was no desire to win ?

 

In other breaking news, water discovered to be wet…

 

My favourite current marketing pitch is Lambo’s ‘Based on a true story” in reference to their wins in GT3 class racing that spawned the STO. Are potential STO clients unaware of Lambo’s racing success or not believing it to the extent that they require this reassurance?

Never mind that STO stands for Super Trofeo Omologato (homologation) for their ST race car that’s used in a one make gentlemen (gentleperson?) race series, and therefore doesn’t require any sort of homologation. Their GT3 race car is very far removed from the ST/STO and has bodywork that’s a silhouette of the base Huracan, not the STO.

 

True but i saw the chick rep on the lambo STO and stated MANY times do not power wash it as water going in the engine lid is not recommended ?

I guess there are issues

 

what's the luggage space in the 296? makes me wonder if many sf90 owners will trade down?

 

Ferrari had little interest in comparisons of their cars to any other brands maintaining the belief that Ferrari buyers are slavishly devoted to the company and will never abandon it for another. It was the 720S that changed Ferrari corporate thinking. Ferrari had to respond to the Mclaren since their 720S became the acknowledged "benchmark" in its class. Ferrari responsed with the Pista and the F8. The emergence of the 765 and the upcoming STO has further illustrated to Ferrari, there is a significant segment of the super car market that is interested in cars that are not only highly capable, but simultaneously " fun to drive". Will be interesting to experience Ferrari's concept of exciting driving dynamics. The 296 will act as the test case.