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I'm selling my F50

Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari/F80' started by 410SA, Apr 24, 2008.

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  1. ExclusiveMotorcars

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    +1 I had the pleasure of speaking with Jas a long time ago, a nice guy who has an appreciation for nice cars... I'm pretty sure that he has no intention of entering the used car business, nor any monetary benefit in the sale.
     
  2. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    +2

    I also saw this car in Bahrain and thought it looked, sounded, and tracked magnificently. It ran and ran without any issues.
     
  3. 410SA

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    #78 410SA, May 29, 2008
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    Thanks Jim

    I must say that the F50 was in its element on the track in Bahrain. It ran beautifully and was a real surprise for its consumate trackability for such a large car. The faster it went, the tighter the radius of the corner, the better and smaller it felt. I must say I have had doubts about selling it since that great week in the Middle East, but the quest for rare vintage cars is the course I am set on and the F50 will go, I hope to someone who can enjoy it for what it is - one of the world's great supercars.
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  4. 360C

    360C F1 World Champ
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    The track really is the right environment for driving an F50. I have never really enjoyed my car on the street as it never hits it's stride at sane legal speeds.
     
  5. alexkam

    alexkam Formula 3

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    +1000 Well said is right.
     
  6. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Alex: I really ought to re-visit a thread after I post! Now that the thread has been 'bumped', I have gotten to read the whole thread.

    Lets forget about Jas as his sentiments towards me are well-documented on F-Chat and anything I have stated about him was in my opinion asked for, and stated without regret. Most folks posting here don't know the history or are conveniently forgetting it. As you know, I'm not one of those people who is given to viewing that life is a big popularity contest, and accordingly, 99% of those who make a comment about me have never met me, or done business with me. Those who have in fact done business with me, have posted their sentiments right here on F-Chat and elsewhere, and accordingly I'm quite satisfied with the "reputation" I have with my clients. Lets just say I'm results-oriented, I focus on getting the job done, and thats the bottom line for me. The rest is slightly immaterial within the big picture. [To BAKY, rest assured, I steer clear of more deals than I go after, and fortunatly Ive put myself in the position to be able to do so :)]

    However lets re-focus on the topic of this thread "I'm selling my F50"

    I have to agree that a pristine Ferrari Supercar does not need a broker to market it, if it is priced market-correct. I am aware of how long your F50 has been or sale and I think Classiche Certification has nothing to do with the situation here. In my experience, Classiche is viewed as being "nice to have", but is never a deal-breaker if its the right car at the right price. It can simply be a deciding factor between 2 cars of similar condition.

    Your car is well-known in the market and in the trade as a correct and nice example of an F50 that is a genuine USA spec car. It is also well-known that it has been re-painted twice (please correct me if I'm wrong), and whilst that may matter not one iota to some, it does in fact matter to at least one person who has since purchased another USA F50 (after considering yours) that has its original first paint. When its a matter of almost a million dollars, people can get really fussy, and understandably so. To me, if it was done by Ferrari there should be no issues, but we recently sold an Enzo that we had a very difficult time selling simply because it was discussed as "The Repaint Car" from coast to coast, even though Ferrari had repainted the car. How did we sell it? We lowered the price, and off it went. Its the age old concept of demand and supply.

    Hypothetically, I could sell your F50 this afternoon, but not at the price you'd want. I suggest that if your price was in line with what the market would bear, the car would be sold long ago. Since you are selling it privately, you have only yourself to make the decision whether to hold firm or reduce. Personally I hate to see any car on the market too long or it begs the inevitable "why isn't it selling?" question and over-exposure becomes a factor.

    Another option would be for you to simply keep the car given this soft market and I still think it would compliment your classics quite nicely.

    JS
     
  7. 410SA

    410SA F1 Veteran

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    Joe, while I appreciate the idea that you could sell my car this afternoon, so could I or anyone else if it was offered at a low price relative to the current market. The idea here however is precisely that it is my car and I am selling it privately. The beauty of that, in my case is that I can ask whatever price I want and I can also decide whether to change any of my conditions. The reasons for my selling are well known on this forum and thankfully none of the reasons have anything to do with the need to sell. If the right buyer shows up at the right price, the car will sell. Otherwise it will sit very comfortably amongst its fellow occupants of my garages and be quite happy I'm sure. So thank you Joe for your concern. I'm sure it came from the heart.
     
  8. amenasce

    amenasce Three Time F1 World Champ
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  9. 1ual777

    1ual777 F1 Rookie

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    Isn't $950K a little high for this car?
     
  10. AustinMartin

    AustinMartin F1 Veteran

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    He could always give it to us less fortunate! PM me if you are willing to donate it to me.



    No really, I mean it.
     
  11. CMY

    CMY F1 World Champ

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    So it stands to reason that if one was considering it, another will as well.

    It's also funny that the history is well-known.. and yet the price is too high? I'd rather know about a re-paint than a poor repair, but maybe that's just me..
     
  12. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Alex: My concern comes simply from the desire to respond to your post on page 2 of this thread, all the while using that opportunity to clarify a few issues that are generally assumed about me. In getting back on topic, I personally feel its no big mystery why your F50 has not sold in all this time, but I'm sure you don't need me to spell that out repeatedly. I don't doubt however that the car is in a good home, so whether it sells or not is really immaterial. But let me set the record straight on one thing: when I said I could "sell your F50 this afternoon", I did NOT mean for some "low price relative to the current market" as you suggest I do. I meant at a market-correct price. The real issue here is whether you agree on what today's market-correct price is.... I aways believe that cars sell in short order if they are priced market-correct.

    At any rate, if I am approached by someone looking for an F50, I would have no problem asking them to contact you directly...

    JS
     
  13. 410SA

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    I appreciate that Joe
     
  14. carsinxs

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    It's a re-paint, your price is too high and the right rear tire is 2 lbs under the correct pressure. Oh, and your yardkeeper's lawnmower is a bit low on oil too.
    Now thank me.
     
  15. 410SA

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    You too Harry! I thought the virus was limited to one person on the planet! :)
     
  16. RufMD

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    too funny :)
     
  17. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Anytime...
     
  18. coachi

    coachi Formula 3

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    No doubt, if the car was priced 150K less, many would sit up and pay attention, however, the owner decides what the car is worth to him and if he wants to sell it for less. It is a beautiful car, and I would love to have it; but why, may I ask, was it repainted twice?
     
  19. 410SA

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    The answer to that is quite simple. The original owner, out of Texas had an obsession with Azzuro cars. He repainted all of his many Ferraris Azzuro. I'm sure that somewhere on FChat there are pictures of his collection.
    This particular car was originally Rosso Corsa and was repainted upon delivery to Azzuro. When he sold it it was repainted back to its original color, with the exception of the headlights, which remained black rather than the the original Rosso Corsa.
    The paint job, done at Risi's shop in Houston is excellent in every way and the car looks better than when it was delivered from the factory. The car has had no physical damage, just the emotional damage of being painted baby blue for a short time.
     
  20. darth550

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    Too funny indeed..... :)
     
  21. DM18

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    A bit harsh. Could do that to many posts on this forum and the spin is not so nice...
     
  22. carsinxs

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    I......me.........mine...........He's merely quoting a Beatles song.
    Listen to it. Over and over again it plays I-----ME-----MINE.

    Guess it does get old quick...
     
  23. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Spot-on DM18.

    Just click on "Find all posts by..." and you'll come up with a plethora of "I" and "Me" whenever anyone on this board is expressing an opinion in the first person, which is what people generally come here to do. Unless of course one writes in second or third person :)

    BTW you'll find this holds true of the posts of the short-sighted and rather childish haters aforementioned.

    Too funny? No, hilarious actually...
     
  24. synchro

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    #99 synchro, Jun 2, 2008
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    Apologies if its been asked before but I didn't see an answer.
    Does the re-paint alter the carbon fibre textured look of the surface? This may be the factor that would set the car in a different light.

    If it doesn't and the re-paint has the same texture as the original, then I would think that the painter used chemical stripper and I would want to know the affects of that chemical on the Carbon Fibre matrix.

    If the re-paint has smoothed the CF texture and looks more like the surface of standard, sheet metal Ferraris then you've lost the original surface look. I'm guessing that Ferrari designed the F50 exterior to purposefully expose the weave to tout the CF used in the car.
    Please correct if I'm wrong.

    Kind Regards,

    Scott
     
  25. darth550

    darth550 Six Time F1 World Champ
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    2 for the Lone Ranger and another 2 for..................................

    Remember that scene in Blazing Saddles when the last wagon was "makin' their own" circle?

    Now, that was truly hilarious. ;)
     

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