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  1. Ferraridoc

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    Tipo 116 2.5l inline 2 cylinder, never made it to production.

    Ferrari thought the torque it would produce would be good for tight circuits but the vibrations were too much from memory

    I'll need to find the article in Sportscar World
     
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    BRM V16 Supercharged 1.5 litre DOHC 32 valve 400 to 600bhp dry sump. (1950)

    Also any of the prewar Auto Union /Mercedes benz formula engines ..
     
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    I think we missed a great period in European racing .
     
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    Probably one of the most complex engines ever designed. Stacked and flat 16 with geared crankshafts

     
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    Lets not froget the Matra v12 as used in F1 & Le-Mans sports car racing ..
     
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    2 x 4cyl Dolomite engines from the parts bin glued together. Just brilliant
     
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    Detroit diesel 71/v12
     
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    This engine was developed to late but it would have been a cracker.
    It had the same 27 litre displacement as the Merlin but 1000 more horsepower.
    It would have been interesting if it had been grafted into a Spitfire or Mustang, but the Jet age was here so....
     
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    When you look at the drawings for their first V12 with the intakes between the cams it is very similar to the Bizzarini's Lamborghini V12 prototype.
     
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    The 308 was just 2 fiat 124 engines which is why it is so good
     
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    Ferrari were the first to put the fuel injection trumpets between the cams on a V12, in 1968. The Matra V12 came later, AFAIK Matra ran Cosworth DFV's in 68 and 69.

    Lambo hung carbs between the cams in 1964, to get a lower bonnet line when cost constraints obliged them to use a wet sump engine. This is less efficient than downdraft carbs.
     
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    Rubbish


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    Matra ran both engines in 1968 and in '69 won the WDC with a Cosworth .

    Than in 1970 went back to the V12.
    Have you ever been to the Matra museum ?

    We drove right by it one year and Amanda cracked it oh well..
     
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  19. IanB

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    No, Horse is correct. The FIAT twin cam has the cam carriers seperate to the heads, the 308 is a single casting.

    One common element however is the valve clearance shim on top of the cam bucket and of course the use of rubber belts for the cam drive, which FIAT pioneered.
     
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    Bizza's prototype engine ran downdraft webers and made about 400hp from 3.5 litres at 11,000rpm. It was more a race engine as Bizzarini was being paid by the horsepower. They pulled over 100 hp out for the production car.
     
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    The Coventry Climax FWMW 1.5litre flat 16: essentially 4 x 4 cylinders joined together with 2 x 8 cylinder flat cranks joined end to end. Some of Walt Hassan's finest work but time was against him in 1965 and the plug was pulled before he could work the bugs out. Incidently, Harry Munday, who helped on this, was also involved in the BRM V16 engine. Hassan would go on to lead Jaguars V12 project with Munday lurking in the background.

    John
     
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    All my tools for the cam buckets on my fiat 124 fit the 308 perfectly when I did the clearances for the valves and I'll bet that Lampredi called up the engineers @Maranello and gave them some help
     
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    Yes, and my 10mm spammer fits heaps of cars, so they are all the same.

    FFS


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    stop being mean, or I'll sook to the mods on you!
     
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    Actually the CoventryClimax should probably get some sort of award since it spawned a big chunk of F1 engines for many years...
    I always thought the Wankel rotary was a lovely piece of engineering, in theory at least.
     
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