Is 296 GTB supposed to be F8 replacement?

It's not that simple. Look at F40 pricing in say 2012. Then look now. That's almost doubling your investment in 9 years. You can't look at it from new. Too many have changed hands, so few are with their original owners.



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Sure, and if you bought Nvidia stock in 2012.. Double in 9 years is not much more than 7% annualized. If you put lots of mileage on them you won’t double your money. Certainly it’s possible to make it an investment, it’s just very, very difficult to the point that it’s not worth thinking about it as an investment.

 

Of course I am biased since my F8 should be delivered within the next couple of weeks. But on paper, the performance seems virtually identical. The 296 is 2 inches shorter, an inch narrower, has a 2 inch shorter wheelbase, is almost an inch shorter and weighs 77 pounds more. Will we notice these differences? IDK. It will be interesting to see someone test them against each other. But other than the hybrid aspect (I am not a hybrid fan) and the V6 change, it doesn't seem like enough of a change to give me any buyers remorse on the F8. I agree with those saying the 296 will be the F8 replacement.

 

It weighs 300 pounds more.

 

Wiki has 296 GTB @ 3241 lbs - F8 @ 3164lbs which is a difference of 77lbs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_296_GTB

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F8

 

Why Wiki, if we have official Ferrari’s numbers?

PS Even with bigger weight, 296 will be much better in every situation. Progress.

 

Different is not always better, and forced progress can mean a step back.

It is an RWD car unlike the SF9O. It has the same power-to-weight as,an F8. The SF90 can camouflage its weight with the front drive assist, this cannot. It is a different car, and there's absolutely no guarantee that it will drive better and feel as light as an F8.

The nature of the 296 was forced upon Ferrari. It is not natural progress.

Don't kid yourself into thinking Ferrari always hits a homerun.


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Wrong info as they're quoting F8 wet weight with 296 dry weight. Ferrari haven't quoted the 296's wet weight, just the dry weight of 1470kg which compares with the F8's dry weight of 1330Kg. A difference of 140Kg(300lbs).! Very surprised so many on here don't understand the difference between a car's dry weight compared to the same car full of fluids.

 

Wiki has confused the dry wieght with the kerb weight. Ferrari themselves claimed the 296 gtb weighed the same as the 488 during the press conference, but they deliberately and disengeniously compared dry weight to wet weight. Which is what I've come to expect from them. I love their cars but they can be deceptive when it comes to marketing their product.

 

I will bet 296 will feel better to drive than f8 despite extra weight. It will be more comfortable, faster, and be easier to drift than f8 all due to electronics advancing. Electronic tuning is becoming key factor in modern sport cars and each gen improves. Of course if dont like electronic interventions, get old car versions like 360cs, gt3, lotus, etc. F8 is electronic dependent just not as advanced

 

F8 is a forced progress of 458. If Ferrari were able to make such a great car on a platform 10 years ago, I am sure that on a new platform, with new solutions, a new engine, a new architecture, they will be able to make a truly outstanding car. Like when it was 458 after 430.
A hybrid is not only a challenge, but also a new opportunity. the same weight can feels and ride differently depending on its placement, and I'm sure the Ferrari have done a great job with that.

 

F8 is 3450 lbs, wet. I wish my F8 only weighed 3,164lbs! Lol
https://www.thesupercarblog.com/ferrari-f8-tributo-is-a-lot-heavier-than-what-it-says-in-the-brochure/amp/

 

Shame on Ferrari but i suppose the same will apply to the 296's actual real life weight !. OTOH Ferrari clearly states that the official weights are with all lightweight options fitted. In the case of the F8 the 1330kg dry weight(1435Kg Kerb weight) is with the Carbon wheels, no Suspension lift, no Passenger display or JBL and all the Carbon options fitted including seats.

 

pathetic of them really.

it'll be interesting to see a customer car on the scales, I think it'll be shockingly heavy tbh

 

I previously posted this comparison on a different thread. I used Google to find dry weights. I looked for consensus, which I why I did not include the F8. I’m not sure why, but there’s a variance of opinion regarding the F8’s dry weight. For anyone who has driven cars, you know how important weight is. It’s impossible to blunt the effect of weight. No amount of electronic sorcery, power/weight ratios, suspension tuning, or advanced tire technology can make fat cars feel thin.

765LT - 2,709lbs
STO - 2,951lbs
Pista - 3,054lbs
296 GTB - 3,234lbs (in the Assetto Fiorano specification)
GT2 RS - 3,241lbs
SF90 - 3,461lbs (in the Assetto Fiorano specification)
SF90 - 3,527lbs
812 - 3,594lbs

I’ll say it again, a hot-rodded 750hp V6, 2900lb dry weight 296GTB would have got my attention, and my dollars. The aforementioned car could have been built.

 

At today's presentation of the 296 in Paris (actually, Levallois) they showed the same picture,already posted, that states the F8 is crap because it is less fun than the 296 and less performance than the SF90... but I could only recognise the picture, they did not elaborate on its intended meaning
A few pieces of information I could casually gather:
- first deliveries of the 296 may happen during Q4 2021, but 2022 is more likely; someone putting a deposit today will certainly wait for 2022
- full price (with taxes) will be more or less identical with F8 price in France, since the lack of "green" penalty (30 K€ for the time being) is offset by the Ferrari price increase.
My take is that the F8 may be a V8, it will have a hard time competing with a more modern and more powerful car at the same price (no matter that this car is an evil hybrid V6) - but there are at least 6 months during which Ferrari needs to continue to sell (or at least deliver) F8s.

 

It’s called F8 Tributo for a reason, a tribute to the V8 non-hybrid.

 

Another thing I noticed, the 296 managed to get K-marked Michelin PS4S, while the F8 comes with older generation PSS (the very same tyres as originally fitted to the 488) to get the K-marking (while Michelin people tell that it's probably better to go for unmarked PS4S because there is more benefit from a newer generation than from a specific version, specially for Ferrari who do not go too far in fine tuning the tyres).
Dimensions on the 296 are different, interestingly rear tyres are higher profile (35 vs 30) than on the 488 and F8.

 

A hot rodded 800+ HP, 2709 lbs, V8 exists. 765LT.

 

Width of the tire

 

Frankly I did it remarkable they can get the weight as relatively low as they have. I know I could not feel a ~250lb weight difference in between street cars that are both set up well. I’ve tried. Maybe on the track. I think the 296 is going to be a home run for them. Don’t buy any of these cars as financial investments, buy them as investments in your happiness.


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I don’t think we can trust the 296 Ferrari numbers until someone gets the car on a scale to to verify, they are never truthful on the weights….

 

Rear tyres have the same width (305), I did not note the front tyres width so I cannot be sure but I think they are wider on the 296 than the 245 of the 488 / F8.

 

Front tyres are 245/35...

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So front tyres are actually the same size as on the 488/F8, it's just the rear tyres that are higher profile.