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Is Ferrari heading towards the bad old days?

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  1. Anthony_Ferrari

    Anthony_Ferrari Formula 3

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    I've read a few articles recently about what's going on at Ferrari. There are worrying things happening:

    1) The circumstances surrounding Michael's departure - did he jump or was he pushed?

    2) Stepneygate. Why was Stepney, a previously loyal and valued team member, tempted to betray Ferrari?

    3) At Fuji how did Ferrari become the only team on the wrong tyres. I knew they were supposed to be on full wets, why didn't they?

    4) There is talk of a 'night of the long knives' when Luca di Montezemolo will get rid of Jean Todt and probably a few others as he wants Ferrari to be 'more Italian'.

    Here's a section from an interesting article by Dr Mike Lawrence. The whole article can be found here: http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_feature_item.php?fes_art_id=33031 Earlier in the article Mike criticises Max Mosley and praises all things Italian. Here's a quote:
    Is he right?

    My view: This year Ferrari have built a great car. I think the team misses Ross Brawn a great deal. Schumacher and Brawn were an awesome team as Ross would see an opportunity and Michael would have the ability to take full advantage of it. Ferrari need to get more organised again and they need somebody at the top to earn respect and keep control.
    I haven't been to an F1 race for a couple of years and I am no longer in contact with any of the Ferrari team. The thing that always impressed me when I did used to spend time with them was their great love and respect for Schumacher. They would do anything for him as they knew he'd do the same for them. I can't help but feel they will be slightly less motivated by Kimi. Kimi is a great driver. Michael was a great driver and a great leader.

    Can Ferrari be successful in the next 5 years?
     
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  3. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Ferrari will pick themselves up and be champions next year. Kimi has finally woken up and got his game together, Massa has improved a lot since last year.

    right now, they have to be fast....and reliable.
     
  4. DF1

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    +1..Got the speed, just the need machina to keep working. I think they will be fine.
     
  5. IanMac

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    I hope they do have a great car next year, but if the rumours of internal strife are true that's not going to be helpful, to put it mildly.
     
  6. kraftwerk

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    IMO Ross Brawn is the man to steady the ship..
     
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  8. DF1

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    It will take Brit!! His return can't be soon enough!
     
  9. Far Out

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    +1
    Ferrari would have had coped with Michael or Ross leaving, but not both at the same time. Hope he comes back soon.
     
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    no
     
  11. Anthony_Ferrari

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    Phew! Thanks for that. You've put my mind at rest. ;)
     
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  13. GTE

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    always glad to help
     
  14. Senna3xWC

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    Seems to me like we are returning to the Machiavellian Ferrari of the pre-Todt years.

    The team really needs Ross Brawn back.
     
  15. tifosi12

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    1) He jumped because LdM put Kimi next to him.

    2) Didn't get the promotion he expected. But before we blame management: He was a shady character for years. Did a lot of bad things, the warning signs always were there. He even stole $$$ from his fellow mechanics. A bad apple basically, that should have been sacked a while ago.

    3) Attempt to gain an advantage or complete incompetence. You pick.

    4) Indeed. Not sure the goal is to be more Italian. LdM's goal is the long term future of Ferrari, something Todt lost sight of with his adoration for MS. Todt should give up the F1 team and run the cars biz solely, something he is very good at.

    Maybe, maybe not. See 3) above. Either way a very bad decision from the pitwall. The buck stops at Todt.

    Yes
     
  16. Anthony_Ferrari

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    My hope is the former, they appear to be claiming the latter.

    My gut feeling is that the whole atmosphere at Maranello is turning sour. People are jockeying for position and looking out for their own needs ahead of the teams as they try to create the 'new order'. I think it will take a while to all shake out.
     
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    +1, that's why they need Brawn back.
     
  18. tifosi12

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    I think that is precisely what's going on. Not a surprise really: The departure of the dream team left a power vacuum.

    But it could all be solved over the winter: If LdM gets his wish (why shouldn't he, he is the boss after all), Todt hands the F1 team over to Brawn. Brawn takes it from there. Kimi has figured out the new team and tires and could be fighting for the title next year. The renaissance could happen. But we need Brawn.
     
  19. SrfCity

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    It does seem like F might be a bit too full of themselves, creating a lot of power struggles. IMO it stems from the top and LDM's hubris is ruffling the feathers of some of the more established people and possibly confusing the newer faces. They all need to get on the same page or this will persist.
     
  20. Senna1994

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    Absolutely, I hope Brawn comes back and Todt runs the other side.
     
  21. James_Woods

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    I hate to say it, but Luca is just not filling the shoes, IMHO. A little too full of himself, and not actually being the man.

    That quotation about Lewis car being full of Ferrari is full of something, if you catch my meaning.

    All he would have had to do was keep it shut and let mr Dennis be the dirtbag.
     
  22. Senna1994

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    Very good point as well James, both him and Todt pulled the same crap on the Michelin Tire Fiasco in 03 as well. Basically they said that if Ferrari lost either the WCC or the WDC to a Michelin Runner they would appeal to the WSMC (FIA).
     
  23. Kami

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    Geeze guys, they're still running second (first after the ruling). I would hardly say they're going back to the bad days. They'll be fine.
     
  24. IanMac

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    I have to agree with that. There was no need for any comment from Ferrari, they were seen as the good guys and keeping quiet would probably have ensured that it stayed that way.

    Whatever his culpability in the 'spying' affair RD has the right idea when it comes to handling the press - say as little as possible. It's a bit unfortunate that LH hasn't learned that much from his boss. Until a few weeks ago he hadn't put a foot wrong in that respect, it was pretty impressive for such a young guy, but recently he has said things he would have been a lot better not to have said. Presumably he felt he was putting his side of the story and just responding to FA, but it hasn't done him any favours with the fans.
     

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