Is it time for gun control in Washington?

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  1. moretti

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    They are blaming Clinton now, some law he enacted in 1993 where the soldiers were disarmed once inside the Yard.
     
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    That makes perfect sense.

    *cough*
     
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    Can someone please tell me why some of my posts' are getting duplicated?
    Possibly including this one.
     
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    No, its time to control Democrat morons, tyrants & terrorists
     
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    you stutter when you type?
     
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    I think you just called Aircon a Democrat moron.

    I'm here to tell you that, while he may be a moron, he is not a Democrat! :D
     
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    +1 ;)
     
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    #14 dm_n_stuff, Sep 17, 2013
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    D.C. Gun Laws Some of the Strictest in the U.S. - ABC News

    Federal Law prohibits carrying a weapon on the grounds of ANY Federal facility, from the Post Office, to court houses, to places like this Navy Yard.

    Federal law can't prohibit a nut, with a serious penchant for doing harm, from doing so if he really doesn't care if he dies in the act. This guy may have been one of those, what with the indications that he was perhaps schizophrenic (heard voices, tended towards violence, didn't sleep) and certainly paranoid with a persecution complex.

    Where the system falls down is in the reporting of the issues that he had and the follow up. He was arrested TWICE for discharging a firearm, neither time resulting in anything on his permanent record. He was being treated for a serious mental disorder, but no one reported it to his employer, or the government. He was approved for Federal Contract work, despite his shaky record and psychological state.

    There were multiple breakdowns here.

    Buying a gun in the US varies by state. In Pennsylvania, you have to pass an instant background check. Interestingly, it took longer for my wife ( a former FBI agent) to clear the system than it did for me. I came up clean in about 5 minutes, it took us a couple hours to get her cleared. There's no waiting period in PA, and part of the system requires you to be honest in your application. So a good liar with no arrest record but serious mental issues can easily subvert the system unless he's been involuntarily committed by law enforcement at some point in his life.

    And, even if you're all for gun control, how would you propose to recover the 400,000,000 guns (That's a guess, not a statistic, BTW) that are currently circulating among the citizenry of the USA?

    I'm not saying it's a good idea to try, just wondering how you guys would suggest it be accomplished.

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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lguE0tQv1M]Conan Travels - "Shooting Guns with Hunter S. Thompson" - 2/17/09 - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Here's how I see the problem you guys have in the US :

    1. Not handling the mentally disturbed in a correct manner
    2. Allowing people with disturbed backgrounds to get access to guns
    3. Too many guns already in the population
    4. Draconian laws limiting gun ownership would only incite more violence amongst the so called civilised right
    5. You lot believe everything can be solved by gun fire



    As to how do you get 400M guns out of circulation, well draconian laws by a dictator disarming the population is the ONLY way and that ain't gunna happen
     
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    Tell me again why Australia doesn't trust their citizens with guns? I can't even trust you guys with posts, much less guns!!! :D;):D
     
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    #22 dm_n_stuff, Sep 18, 2013
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    1-2. Yup. No way to keep crazies from buying a gun unless they've been arrested for it, and then stuck in an institution against their will. If they voluntarily commit themselves,there's no police record, and nothing goes to the state computer system, leaving it up to the crazy person to TELL the guy they want to buy a gun from that they're not stable enough to buy a gun in the first place. Kind of a reverse catch 22. We no longer keep our crazies bottled up in institutions unless they're REALLY crazy, or have committed a crime. short of that, we dump them on the street. I actually heard a guy in an institution recently remark that he was being released to a homeless shelter. (edit) this comment he made was to his parents, not to the folks at the facility.

    3. WAAAAY to many guns. If I can own a half dozen, or more, then anyone can. Only difference is I'm trained, my wife is trained and we don't pack heat when we wander about the countryside. We target shoot. I don't have a gun under my pillow, that's what the big dogs and a good alarm system (along with doors that lock) are for.

    4. Left, right, center, no one who owns a gun legally now is gonna give it up without a fight. Literally a shootout? Probably not, but there's just no way the 2nd Amendment is going to be repealed, and that's the limiting factor. You'd have one hell of a time getting strict gun control passed, even with the rising levels of violence here.

    5. Not everything can be resolved with gunfire. Sometimes you have to use Tomahawk Cruise missiles, Bunker Busters, or Atomic bombs. We do like our weaponry over here. (Of course, if Syria actually gives up their chemical weapons, I'd have to add, sometimes just the threat of use of weapons is enough.)

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  23. CornersWell

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    Well, THIS thread was predictable.

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    To an extent? Sure, but hell we stick our noses into the world's business, opening us up to criticism.

    Now I do agree that smug Aussie criticism is particularly offensive, but still . . . :D

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  25. moretti

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    posts we are ok with, it's the barb wire between them that was dangerous :p

    I prefer our way of living, without fear, that the next knock at the door will be some nutter with a gun :rolleyes:
     

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