Is it time for gun control in Washington?

Well, its only 275,000 shot dead over 10 years, so sure, live with it ! what's the big deal ;-)

 

Ok let millions die every year from preventable diseases and famine because reasons.

 

Ridiculous simile,why bother bringing it up,unless you suggest to all current and prospective gun owners,that they sell their guns/send the funds to buy their prospective gun purchase to folk more needy.

 

Brian, you're not really drawing a parallel between houses and guns are you? The only person that got killed by a house was the wicked witch of the east, and Dorothy had nothing to do with that. It wasn't an assault house.

and that gun ended up in the hands of a domestic terrorist? Your straw man arguments amaze me. Guns don't kill people, ineffective law enforcement kills people.

Oops, my bad. Guns don't kill people, cowardly law enforcement officers and court officials kill people.

There are more holes in your argument than there are in the SUV driven by those crazy guys in San Bernardino. Ineffective laws, ineffective enforcement, ineffective courts, yup, that's the real crime. So, even if the USA had GOOD gun laws, they wouldn't work, so why bother.

It ain't the laws that are bad, it ain't the guns that are bad, it's the people who use them, And until we figure out how to keep bad people from doing bad things, this **** is going to go on and on and on.

Better hunker down in your bunker with your anti-assault weapons, pack a nice Colt 1911 on your hip when you venture out in public, and practice your quick draw.

Interestingly, here in Florida the reaction was to push a bill allowing open carry of side arms into the legislature yesterday. Thought being that the 1.5MM legally registered owners who can ALREADY carry concealed weapons here could be fortified by another couple million open carriers. Yup, I feel safer already.


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So more laws we do not enforce will fix it?

Seems that has been done over and over already.

 

It appears that the USA has more rather been done over by the 3rd amendment.

According to most of the,so called,argument,for progun folk.

 

Brian, I agree with you on all points. I have a good number of sporting firearms myself. I would also point out to those who disparage firearms enthusiasts that the firearm has a much longer history than the motorcar and one that is every bit as rich and interesting as Ferrari history, F1 history, etc. Take a look at a double rifle from Boss, Purdey, or Holland and Holland, and consider the great arms making cities of continental Europe - Brescia, Suhl, Ferlach, Brno, Herstal to name a few.

To our Australian friends, I would say the United States is not a Commonwealth country. The right to bear arms is protected by the Constitution and there are recent US Supreme Court decisions affirming that right (see Helvering v District of Columbia, for instance). Additionally, American law is a matter to be determined by American citizens.

 

No, I don't think so.

I'm not arguing that we should all give up our guns. I'm saying your argument isn't valid. More laws or better laws, two different things.

More enforcement or better enforcement of existing laws? Well, those are two nuances of the same argument.

But if the laws we enforce aren't any good, maybe we should rethink them. Toss the bad ones, work a netter set of new ones.

Ask an Alaska State Trooper what he thinks of Alaska's gun laws. Or most Pennsylvania LEOs what they think of PA's system. Interesting side note. It took longer for my wife to pass muster in PA for a License to carry a firearm than it took me. Lots longer, and she's former LEO herself. Soooo, what does that say for the system.

Oh, in case you don't know PA law, anyone who owns a handgun can open carry without any kind of training or permit. You can't transport a loaded weapon in a car without a LTCF, but you can patrol your neighborhood without one, and without ANY training. Sensible gun laws? Not that one.

PA is a "Shall issue" state. That means unless you are a convicted felon, or have spent time involuntarily committed to a psychiatric facility, they must issue a License to Carry. Sensible? Nope. No training, no skills required.

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We have a great many very good laws in place that are not being used. I, and many others are against the usual political fix of passing yet another law, or laws intended only to provide a false sense of security and only further limits those of us who follow the law, just because it is law. If instead we enforced the many good laws already in place a great deal of good could be done.

 

Apologies for resurrecting this thread, which is probably best put back to bed, but I want to correct an earlier post. I incorrectly referred to a US Supreme Court case on 2nd amendment rights as Helvering v District of Columbia. The correct case is Heller v District of Columbia. Now, back to cars hopefully!

 

Tide might be turning New YorkTimes front page editorial lobbying for assault guns to be banned.http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/opinion/end-the-gun-epidemic-in-america.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-top-region&region=opinion-c-col-top-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-top-region&_r=0

 

I'll bet you it doesn't happen

 

Call me a red neck, guns dont kill people, people kill people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORYVCML8xeE

PS/ I believe that gun he is holding is Made In Italy [somebody, anybody??]

 

Redneck

 

Some interesting and surprising stat's in here.

Mass shootings: Only five states spared from spate of shooting sprees in the US, tracking website says - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

 

Some wholesome and uplifting stats for the pro gun mob.

Sandy Hook elementary school shooting anniversary: US child gun deaths staggering

 

why post these "click fodder" media sensationalism articles Simon?

They play the scary big numbers game, because the US population is so much larger than Aus, creating great stats.

e.g. over 700 children die from Asthma each year in the US. 3 die each day in traffic accidents. There are endless sad numbers to quote, across a multitude of preventable risks.

 

Why do Australians care about guns in the USA?

 

More importantly, why do we in the USA care that these Aussies care?

They're not gonna invade and cause us to live by their rules. They're not going to embargo U.S. goods to try and make us change. So, this thread is just the musings of a few wealthier than average Aussies lamenting the state of affairs in the USA.

I don't take it personally.

D (Born in the USA) M

 

Why not? Australians care about all sorts of things. Surely you're not suggesting Americans only care about themselves, are you? lol

 

Oh please, 15 year old clip from an acknowledged gun nut lobby. Guns don't kill people, stupid people with guns, knives, baseball bats, pencils, chains, and their bare hands kill people.

It's just a ****load easier to do with a gun.

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Isn't that the problem?

 

One reason is that Aussies have been the target of kids with guns.

 

If you don't want to read it ,Ian,then don't click on the thread.
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