Is it time for gun control in Washington?

Just watching ABC news, left wing ****wit presenter asking lots of questions about how and why the murderer had possession of guns. FFS the guns he had are legal in the US, he was a security guard and had a gun license. How about tell us more about the phone call he made to 911 before he started shooting


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How about the fact that he was on an FBI watch list and could still get a hold of a firearm?

 

He could have got hold of one regardless, just like our homegrown Islamic terrorists did

 

and so people of the left maintain their propaganda.

Just how bad does it have to get for you?

How many 9-year old girls burnt alive in cages, how many gay men thrown off buildings, how many innocent people blown up in markets?

 

I'm agreeing with you, FFS! Left? I'm slightly left of Donald Trump, but that's about all.

 

left of Donald? That makes you a f**king commie in my book

It amuses me that 100% of the Aussie media has decided to favour Hilary. If you only relied on our news, you'd assume that she is a shoe-in. Reality in the US is quite different - even my Democrat friends think she's a horror story.
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I'm not all over the minutiae of that weird political system they have over there, but the man can't even get an endorsement from his own party - surely that means something!

 

And Trump is the paragon of virtue with all his rantings ??

...... just because he has money doesn't make him the right person to lead the US but they've been known to vote idiots in before

 

Stable background helped

 

Then you're not hanging with main stream Democrats. You're hanging out on the fringe, the Bernie fringe.

Hillary has been the #1 candidate apparent for 8 years for Democrats. The minute she lost to Obama, she was lining up as heir to the party, and no one rose to oppose her.

Why do you suppose that is? Because she was an unstoppable force? Nope. Because she had all the Democratic big wigs lining up to support her as soon as Obama's time ran out. She's entrenched, and she's powerful as a politician. I think you'll see that at the convention. It's why Joe Biden didn't jump in. the party told him not to, and he's a good party guy.

She's going to win this thing by 5 or 6 percentage points in November, but the Electoral College won't be that close. Trump can't win in the already Democratic states, and he's not strong enough to take two large swing states. (He's gonna need Ohio/Pennsylvania and/or Florida, and that's not gonna happen.)

Now, back to your originally scheduled debate about how the USA should do handle its business.

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We're good at that

More guns I say, bigger, automatic and nothing else and NO restrictions .... particularly when mentally deranged people want one, just give it to them, they'll be fine

 

From what I can see from over here, she's the most qualified person for the job - first lady, senator, secretary of state, all her own hair

 

People keep saying that but show me one time that one of these gun carrying good Samaritans has stepped out of the crowd at a mass shooting (plenty to pick from) and drilled the baddy? From what I have read it always c9mes down to the cops to do their thing.

At the very least the mass murderers weapon of choice - the AR15 - should be banned! Bet it had that absolutely necessary accessory of a drum mag as well. .

John

 

And she doesn't let anyone f**k with her, not even her old man, she outsourced that to Monica

 

Really? I just thought she didn't like cigars...

 

It's not amusing, it's sad. She is a criminal and shouldn't be running for office.

Because unlike popular belief you can't carry a gun where ever you want in the states. Nearly all these shootings happen in no-carry zones.

Plus there are only 11million~ people that have conceal carry permits and how many of them actually carry daily? The chances of someone carrying being nearby is small much like the Police being nearby when these events happen is small.

Banning the AR15 is like saying banning Toyota Corollas will stop road deaths.

Most of these people that go on gun rampages are "known to police". In the states they celebrate unstable people as normal now.

 

Those last comments are the singularly most uninformed statements I have ever read here.

If you are going to compare the AR15 to any car is would be more like a top fueller, the TF is ONLY used for high speed drag races (only use), the AR15 is an ASSAULT RIFLE for killing MANY people ((only use).

Was the Port Arthur idiot known to police, was the Columbine murderer known to police, was the guy who killed 12 people in the cinema known to police , the guy that killed all those kids last year at Sandy Point ?

If you're referring to the IS supporters as being known to police then that is no surprise so I expect a better argument than that from you because a LOT of the gun massacres are performed by people who just wake up one day and think they'll make themselves famous by killing someone

 

John,obviously Townee doesn't have a clue.....as don't the yanks who are so outrageously progun....why even bother trying to debate the subject.

I know I haven't gone down that road for a long time...indeed,it's almost a fundamentalist attitude that mob have.

 

There is no point debating the pros and cons of gun ownership in the US. That should be left to US citizens.

The gun laws in the US have nothing to do with this most recent terrorist attack in the name of Islam. He wanted to kill as many as possible. He would have found another way had he not had easy access to guns.

Radicalization of Muslim youths is a greater problem than gun control.

 

Agree,what I am concerned about,is that you have someone like the bloke John replied to,doesn't quite GET that a firearm was only designed for one reason only.

A Toyota Corolla was designed for transporting folk from one destination to another.....period,it was not designed to wander around,singly or in groups,looking for folk to kill.

 

Yep, that was a stupid statement

 

Sad to say, but when dealing with the pro gun lobby, its almost like looking at the other side of a coin. I wont go so far as to say they're extremists, but their views seem to be way outside the common views of other countries, such as Australia.

Its all well and good to talk about wanting guns with respect to the Americans constitutional rights (conveniently forgotten details including that it is meant to be in an organised militia, but I digress...), however, these rights arose at a point in time where the citizenry were reacting to governmental actions, several hundred years ago.

Today, however, governments have access to far more sophisticated command, control, and communications infrastructure than the average Joe will ever have, so the idea of somehow managing an arms race with the authorities, is largely a waste of time.

To me, it would seem that the fundamental argument of pursuing the right to bear arms, is now lost in the past. While there are always exceptions, I think the almost weekly occurrence of mass shootings should have ignited lawmakers in the US to do something concrete about this.

Alas, the NRA are very good at playing politics.

I can only sympathise for the poor parents of the dead.

 

If a gun is POPULAR how can it be a Top Fueler? AR15 are cheap like TOYOTAS. Should of I said like Ferrari 355's? Who gives a **** the point is if you ban one gun because it's popular, it doesn't solve the problem that there are a million other types of guns that do the same thing and even if you ban guns there are lots of other weapons like knives, nail guns and ingredents/parts to make bombs that can do just as much damage.

China has a complete gun ban and people are still doing mass killings. 50 DEAD with knives https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/01/at-least-50-reported-dead-in-september-attack-as-china-celebrates-xinjiang
There are heaps of mass killings in china from knife attacks.

As far as I'm aware the AR-15 isn't an Assault Rifle. It can be used to shoot many things not just people. 99% of legally owned guns in America haven't killed anyone. Farmers in Australia use AR-15's to take out pests like Kangaroos etc.

Yes they were all known people. Martin Bryant was mentally disabled and having worked with mentally disabled people the last thing you would do is give them a gun.

I wasn't arguing I was replying to someones question. You're the one arguing with uninformed nonsense.

That's a load of BS. No one wakes up to kill people (maybe people in the military) there are always signs that they are planning on doing something. By the time the investigations are done from these shootings most people have forgotten about it. Go read the reports there are always long history of the person being either a trouble maker or someone unstable and usually they have told someone they are going to do bad things but are ignored.

Just look at the Lindt Cafe incident. He was harassing families of dead soldiers, he used a BANNED gun, it wasn't stolen from another gun owner it was completely banned yet he got a hold of it. Like that's not going to happen in the states if they ban guns?





Atleast you agree that Clinton is a ****

 

Are you on night shift or something ?

From Wiki , and I don't remember the military using their weapons for anything other than killing people or themselves, let alone kangaroos

You like "sport" shooting, fine, you go to a club shoot some targets , lock the gun away (at the club ? That should be what happens I have no idea and don't want to) and there are no guns in the community (except obviously for the criminals , perpetuating the ongoing pro-gun argument ).