Is it time for gun control in Washington?

Yes we've already agreed the problem is with the people; what created that problem - exposure and access to guns and a desensitizing of the result of their acceptance.

 

And you were told wrong.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nra-convention-gun-ban/

Oh the irony.

 

So it took over 200 years to desensitize the last couple of generations?

 

Yep, and that's what happens here - hence our much lower death rates... you can kill someone with a knife or skillet BUT not so fast or easily or without thinking and only one at a time, leaving anyone else presnt with the chance of intervention. You can't intervene with a gun.

 

Never seen that before, pretty amazing

 

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Usually the guns are 'taken' from the legal owners (parents or whomever) who shoule be held liable for not securing them. BUT better still - just don't have them. Simple really.

 

I stand corrected

 

He found 1 article which listed 12 occasions where a gun had been used defensively - dating back to 2006! So 1 life saved each year for the thousands killed each year is fine by him. Go figure...

 

Too simple for brainwashed people Karen.....Anyways gotta finish my bunker before I have to go back to work.......

 

Actually there was a shooting at a gun show last year - the ultimate irony!

 

Yeah, I'm out of here as well - get more sense talking to the fish on my swim!

 

Women fend off rapists all the time by just telling them, "That knife in your hand and the rape you intend to commit are illegal!" It's amazing, the rapist just shrugs and walks away. Works every time...

Just last week, I hear a guy in Australia did the same thing when thugs armed with baseball bats busted down his front door, looking for money. he just held his hand up and said, "breaking and entering, robbing, and beating me with those bats is illegal!" And they ran off. Amazing!

 

It is not permitted to carry open or concealed weapons within the area of an establishment that serves alcohol, that means "at the bar" not anywhere in the club. All of the area surrounding the club is not a posted "gun free zone," to assert that it was is disingenuous, as is the notion that the entire club is a gun free zone.

here's the statute:

Section (12)(a) tells concealed carry license holders that “A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or firearm into: Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose.”

 

No, I showed one article where school shootings were stopped by armed civilians. Maybe English isn't your first language? My wife speaks German and French (with a spattering of Arabic), if that might help.I don't mean to offend, but if you'd actually read the article (not to mention what I wrote), you would have known that.

 

Yes, you are absolutely correct. Police have arrested students that were planning attacks in schools, mostly terrorist related, a few mentioned in this link

http://www.news.com.au/national/crime/the-11-imminent-terror-attacks-australia-narrowly-escaped/news-story/86fc734df0963e21fe038c0eecce7d80

So, yes, the difference is gun access. Thank you for finally agreeing easy access to guns is the problem

 

However, the Pulse Nightclub was not a restaurant, but a fully licensed bar, carrying in any portion of it would have been illegal.

 

Not terrorists, not adults, students--12, 13, 14, 15 year old students.

 

The last study of convicted felons and legal vs illegal ownership of the gun they committed the crime with (in about 2006) indicated that 60-70% of the gun crimes were committed by legally purchased and owned guns.

It's not easy data to collect, so no one has done the study since, at least none that I could find.

There are lots of ways to look at this. I walk into a gun show, I'm a convicted felon, I buy a gun anyway since there are no required background checks. So, I just bought that gun legally. I can't legally OWN it as a convicted felon, but buying it? Sure.

Most are NOT stolen from homes and then used in a crime. Sure, some are, a good percentage no doubt, but a majority of violent gun crimes are not a result of an illegally owned firearm.

Brietbart asserts otherwise, but not with facts, with bravado and chutzpah. Not the same as facts, but lots more fun.

Ok, gotta run, but it's been fun playing, "Why state facts when you can bandy about fiction."

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******** - shows you didn't even read the article- not one of the 11 instances related to a school shooting ; they were all individulas. Go back and READ what you posted instead of just looking at a headline and trying to make your facts fit.
And then please go away and play with your guns, or whatever makes you happy. We have lives to get on with here.
Oh and for the record you can reply in English, Italian or German is OK for me - -Chinese you need to write in PinYin not characters. Curious as to what your wife's language skills have to do with Guns? Don't bother replying - you're not debating.

 

Fixed.

 

Umm... you cannot just walk into a gun show as a felon and legally purchase a firearm. If you buy from a dealer, there will be a NICS check run. If you buy from a private individual, you may walk out with a gun, but you will also be committing a Federal felony.

 

Here's the article he posted, to prove the lie.

 

Nope, only in the areas where the liquor was served or dispensed, i.e. seats at the bar. It's not a blanket rule. Folks carry in a bar/restaurant, they just don't sit at the bar, and hopefully, they don't drink either, which I suspect is the real impetus behind the law.

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Pretty conservative lawyers I've read see the law as limited, not limitless, although it may be simply because the law is loosely written, kind of like the 2A.

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Here you go, there are others too.

http://www.news.com.au/national/south-australia/riverland-teens-charged-after-allegedly-planning-school-massacre/news-story/41554d650839060d728a6791f77c02a6

So yes, the problem still is easy access to guns