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Is there any diff in the doors between a GTB and GTS? '79 if it matters

Discussion in '308/328' started by AZDoug, Nov 26, 2020.

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  1. AZDoug

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    #1 AZDoug, Nov 26, 2020
    Both use the same door?

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    #3 AZDoug, Nov 26, 2020
    Do they show any diff in PN on number 29?

    My research shows #29 is same B or S, some unknown diff in the main door frame stamping.

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    #4 miketuason, Nov 26, 2020
    Yes, there’s a difference in the outer covering which I think is the the door skin.
    Remember this parts catalog is for the QV, not sure about the earlier model.

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    #5 GordonC, Nov 26, 2020
    At a guess, the difference is the requirement for the window frame on the 'B' version.

    Also remember, the internals are different between USA and Euro versions - there's the side impact beam in the USA doors that is not present in the Euro doors.
     
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    #6 AZDoug, Nov 26, 2020
    May have to do with the reveal molding fitment diffs?

    I show PN 60214103 as a LH door skin for a '78 GTB/GTS. Some other parts are noted as Vale per GTS or Non vale per GTS, but not the door skin.

    I would find it hard to imagine Ferrari would have any significant diffs in the outer skin between the two on a low production car.

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    #7 miketuason, Nov 26, 2020
    Example: You would think the windshield would be the same between the B and the S but they actually have different P/N
     
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    #8 AZDoug, Nov 26, 2020
    I don't recall seeing the beam in my car doors when i did the window regulator refurb. My car came with metric speedo, and some other oddities, but it wasn't a grey market car. It was sold new thru Newport Imports in February, 1979.

    I still wonder if it wasn't re-destinationed due to US demand., and some Euro stuff was simply left on the car.

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    #9 Steve Magnusson, Nov 26, 2020
    You can download a copy of the US '78-'79 B/S SPC 161/78 from Carl Rose's website:

    https://ferrari.cdyn.com

    It indicates that the door skins (29) are the same for B and S.
     
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    #10 kcabpilot, Nov 29, 2020
    Yea, people are always talking about these "beams" I've had both of my cards off and never saw any beam ('83 US GTS QV)
     
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    #11 GordonC, Nov 29, 2020
    Good points, I've seen inside my Euro QV GTS doors, obviously no side impact beams, but can't say personally about the US spec other than it was a USA DOT requirement to have side impact beams in the doors - starting in early 1970s at the latest, when the US 5 mph bumper regulations were introduced perhaps.

    Check out the TAVs on Maranello Classic Parts UK www.ferrariparts.co.uk for example,
    Here's the link to TAV 107 Doors for a 308 QV USA ;
    Here's the link to TAV 107 Doors for a Euro 308 QV.

    No differences visible in the drawings, but definitely different part numbers (Item # 13 on the diagrams) for the door frames between the two specifications.
     
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    #12 thorn, Nov 29, 2020
    Almost positive my Swiss '85 has a beam, horizontal, just about the midway point inside the door cavity.
     
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    #13 BigTex, Nov 30, 2020
    The skins are not the entire door.
    Those are repair panels.

    They are different (as posted above) as the S has no upper solid window frame.
    That's the difference, the support brackets for the B style window rail.

    You can use an S door, in a pinch, but you will have to move the brackets over, and weld them in place, from the discarded B door.

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