It seems the market has really changed

proof69 · Jul 23, 2015

Bradwilliams said: ↑

Exactly, but that's one of the many rationalizations that speculators will throw out there to lure people in. I know the majority in this forum are tired of these value threads discussing prices. I hate it just as much as anybody else, as I'm a big-time car nut, and have been passionate about beautiful lines and great exhaust notes my whole life. I'd much rather discuss car-guy stuff. However, this is the hand we've all been dealt. Some people care, some don't. Perhaps I care too much. But, the fact remains that until these leeches (brokers and speculators) leave and quit screwing with our hobby, the threads will continue, and won't stop until the pop. That's why I'm heated about it. I just want them to LEAVE. The sooner they are gone, the sooner the hobby can continue being fun again. The current climate is driving many gearheads away, which is a dangerous to the hobby. Unfortunately, none of us can convince them to do so. But the Fed raising interest rates, economy, and banks that they are using to fuel this crap will convince them when they begin reposessing the cars, just like last time.
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In good times or bad times there are always sharks in the car business. I don't think that will ever change.

Bradwilliams · Jul 23, 2015

proof69 said: ↑

In good times or bad times there are always sharks in the car business. I don't think that will ever change.
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Right, it's part of the game, and at the end of the day this whole thing is a game. The wise ones know this, and the ones who didn't experience 1989, or simply chose to ignore it are the ones "playing the game" at the moment. The quantity of sharks in the water has reached a ridiculous level. It is not only obvious, but is also annoying. May they all enjoy eating each other.

JPA · Feb 28, 2016

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Some thoughts:
348 NO? Why - because the previous CEO called it the worst car ever, only to produce the 355 that had even more issues?? The 348 is a very raw car. Sort of a more potent 328, with better performance, but higher maintenance, due to engine out major. Sorted versions are awesome - I vote YES.

TR Yes? You gotta be kidding me - these were practically mass produced. I'll only say "Yes" to the 512 TR and butt ugly 512M.

F12 - No. Too soft and automated. Great engine, though.

Others not mentioned:
Boxers Yes - similar to TR, but edgier and rare. The carb versions are the ones to get.
California - NO
Mondial No for now. But, probably Yes at some point, because of rawness, MT, and how many mid-engined 2+2 cars are you aware of?
400 series NO NO NO
456 - Yes for MT versions only, even though it is a beautiful car.
612 - Yes for MT and OTO. Eventually Yes for entire line, as this car's classic looks are timeless and it was made in limited numbers.
FF - NO for now. Maybe Yes later on, as you have to give Ferrari props for trying something different.
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Completely disagree about the California, it's got the lines that makes it sexy enough that people are buying and abusing the same way the lambos were only cars for the rock roll guys and were dismissed by these so called experts.. I don't listen to any of the clowns they've been wrong in just about everything I've kept my eyes on.. Just remember what they said about the Dino

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